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Learning1 (Inactive)May 14, 2009 • 7:39 AM

There are at least two recorded success stories using a Q1000 resonating laser (a high tech, very low level laser, which uses scaler wave technology rather than power to get penetration) on spinal cord injuries. These are related by Dr. Larry Lytle on his Healing Light Seminar videos. Both were incidents which he was surprised to hear about. One was an injury which had occurred several years before. In one case the young man recovered enough to go to college. In the other, the lady was able to move on her own with a walker. He also relates the story of a bear cub with hind leg paralysis that fully recovered after regular use of the laser on him, and was ultimately released to the wild the next spring because he no longer had any noticeable imparment. While it appears there was a complete paralysis in all three cases, it sounds as if none of the three cases involved complete spinal cord separations.

The Q1000 can apparenlty be programmed with a setting that helps with nerve regeneration. In many ways the resonating lasers like the Q1000 work differently than other lasers, so the stimulation possible by them seems to be more subtle, which may account for some of the success stories, which go beyond the normal muscle injury recoveries. Because of the multiple challeges and costs of FDA approval, etc, they can make no claims, other than the limited areas they have FDA approval for, but the success stories from those who have tried them sound encouraging.

The low level resonating lasers (12 - 5 mw laser diodes plus some infared diodes) with the scaler wave technology, etc, (like the Q1000) are computer controlled, and because of the advanced technology etc, are more expensive than the basic lasers that are out there that can be used for normal muscle problems, but the technology seems to make a difference. And they are a lot less than the standard commercial lasers used by some of the therapists. I've used mine for a number of different things, from headaches to burns, with success. And my sister used one with her autistic son and it helped him make significant improvement. The bad news is that the list price on a Q1000 is $3,800, and I don't know if there is any place that sells for any less, and from what I've heard, I'm not sure if I would trust the only other one that claims to use scaler wave technology (and is close in price anyway).

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Learning1 (Inactive)May 16, 2009 • 7:15 AM

I just ran across a book titled "Alternative Medicine and Spinal Cord Injury" by Laurance Johnston, published in 2005. Johnson Chapter 3 deals with Laser and Laserpuncture therapy. A decade before the writing of the book, Johnston had been director of the Paralyzed Veterans of America's Spinal Cord Research Foundation. A therapist called him and told him of a quadriplegia patient she had been treating with laser therapy who had regained considerable function. Johnston is convinced that laser therapy has considerable potential for treating spinal cord injuries.

One of the studies had 31 patients with severe spinal cord injuries, and nearly half of these patients showed some functional motor improvement. The book also mentioned a web site that deals with lsaerpuncture as a treatment for spinal cord injuries:

http://www.laserponcture.com/ - the site has a number of case histories listed, with most showing some improvement.

One site that has a brief excerpt of a discussion giving some examples of use of a laser on significant spinal cord injuries is: http://www.gardenwithin.net/fusionmedia.html

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Learning1 (Inactive)May 17, 2009 • 4:45 AM

"Paralysis Cured Without Surgery".

See: http://www.editinternational.com/read.php?id=47ddbb42c6178 (appears article was copyrighted in 2008, showing it is recent information)

This is the title of an article I just ran across, and it shows that lasers can take recovery substantially further than anything previously done, and should be an encouragement for anybody with a spinal separation (the type of problem which previously did not have a treatment).

The situation was one where the spine of a rat was cut (a complete separation). With laser use, the rat had a complete healing of its spine.

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Learning1 (Inactive)May 17, 2009 • 7:04 AM
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Correction - to my last comment "Paralysis Cured Without Surgery"

I just re-read the article. Most of the comments said "we cut the spinal cords", so I thought it was a complete separation.

The part I missed was the comment "After their spinal cord was partially cut their feet splayed akwardly in different directions".

So it was not a complete separation, just a complete paralysis.

The good news from the article is that it says that they should begin human testing of the treatment methods within a year, and since the article came out in 2008, they should begin testing any time.

It says they were using a "near infared" laser. Dr. Lytle indicates that the Dr. involved here has been using 780 nm, 5 mw lasers (something included in the Q1000).

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tiger93 May 17, 2009 • 8:31 PM

Learning1. Thanks for your great input. I appreciate it. I was reading the latest article, Do you know when it was published. I am wondering if they are still doing research on this. I sure hope so. That is a very promising article. THANKS!!

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Learning1 (Inactive)May 17, 2009 • 8:54 PM

I forgot to mention - there is still hope for those even with completely severed spinal cords.

One of the research studies with rats actually cut out and removed a small portion of the splinal column. The researchers then surgically inserted some type of a polymer bridge material which had imbedded stem cells, and used lasers to enhance or speed the healing. Somehow the bridge apparently was enough to get the spinal colum to grow and reconnect. Sounds like a complex process, but it apparenlty worked.

The interesting thing about the article "Paralysis cured without Surgery" is that the progress made was totally WITHOUT SURGERY. Yes, the spinal cord was not fully severed, but there had been complete paralysis, and they got it to regrow without surgery. Just had regular low leve (apparently very low level) laser use. This is unlike the other progress (with stem cells etc) where progress was made by combining technologies with surgery etc.

And some of the studies have shown that stem cells can be adult stem cells, not just embryonic ones. It sounds like the embroyonic ones may be more effective, but adult stem cells also work. An interesting aside is that Dr. Larry Lytle (the inventor of the Q1000) thinks, based on materials that he's read, that part of why the laser works like it does is that it stimulates the body to call on its natural stem cell supply and use those for healing.

Another technology to get into later is Cosmodic, an advanced version of Scenar, which has gotten into various types of regeneration. Scenar research grew out of TENS (starting in 1973), progressed into more advanced technology, and was subsequently funded by the Russian space program for a number of years because of its potential to provide a compact complete treatment program, avoiding the need for medicines, while in space.

While Scenar and Cosmodic have been used primarily in Russia, and is even used in a number of the Russian hospitals, it is available in the west as well, and a number of doctors and therapists in England and Europe are using the earlier Scenar devices, and a few are using the leading edge Cosmodic devices.

The inventor of Cosmodic (who also came up with the Russian version of Tens, then Scenar) firmly believes that it will help stimulate the body to even regenerate nerves in the spinal cord. Other types of regeneration, including spinal discs, have apparently been documented. Earlier generation scenars were used in at least one study in Britain in 2002, and was combined with exercise therapy (so the test subjects apparently didn't have a complete severing even though many had complete paralysis). Even basic Scenar use created more advancement than the exercise therapy alone.

Earlier scenar devices were very much motion oriented, but the Cosmodics are very automated and computer controlled. You simply pick the place to put it and let it work away. Dr. Karasev, the inventor of both Scenar and Cosmodic, was asked whether his devices had been used to treat spinal injuries. His response pointed to several treatment areas:

"..; will heal the bedsores and normalize the intestine work and other organs and systems functioning; another ... will provide regeneration of the damaged nerve fibres; and the third ... is meant specially for restoration of atrophied muscles. Such method can also be used for elimination of conditions after unsuccessful surgery. One more thing – such treatment requires long time, about one year."

His office says that the most advanced Cosmodic chips are the ones that would have the most benefit for spinal cord regeneration, and the earlier, more aggressive VX cosmodic chip is probably the best one for restoration of atrophied muscles once treatment gets to that point. The impression I get is that Dr. Karasev believes that cosmodic technology should be able to even get the body to bridge complete spinal separations. I've asked his office if they have heard of any cases in Russia where complete spinal separations have been bridged, but have yet to receive a response.

If someone wanted to try a basic cosmodic, I suspect that their newest personal model might be one to consider. It is their PS705miniAg. It apparently uses a more advanced and finely tuned chip (their 715), has silver electrodes with magnets in them (which apparenty helps trigger the body's healing), and is a lot more affordable than their professional models (which have basically the same resonances or frequencies). And it can be used for other aches and pains and problems also.

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Learning1 (Inactive)May 18, 2009 • 4:00 PM
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Tiger93,

You're right - It is a very promising article.

As to the date of the article, I can't tell. It gives a copyright date of 2008, but that might just be the electronic publication date, not the original one. In rereading the article, I can see why your question, since internally there is a date of 2005.

Your best option for checking on the status is probably to attempt to Contact Professor Juanita Anders, or the facility she work through. The web site that lists her CV is: http://www.usuhs.mil/nes/anders.html#, and they have at least some contact information on the program, etc. I'm not sure how much they can or will share, but it is worth asking. Information may be a bit more restricted than even normal research projects here, though, since it apparently is a military facility, part of the Bethesda Naval Hospital, funded by the US Military, and as the article says, it is part of the "heavily guarded campus".

That being said, there seems to be some fairly current info on the web also, under the Thor Laser site: http://www.thorlaser.com/.

The Nerve Regeneration section is apparently still under construction: http://www.thorlaser.com/nerve/index.htm

There is a brief write-up about the Anders Lab:

http://www.thorlaser.com/nerve/juanita-and-kimberly.htm,

and one about Simon Rochkind and his lab in Israel. Also there is a brief write-up about how it works:

http://www.thorlaser.com/nerve/how-it-works.htm. There is also a brief Media Watch Summary on an article: "Light Promotes Regeneration and Functional Recovery and Alters the Immune Response After Spinal Cord Injury". For results it said: "significantly increased axonal number and distance of regrowth", and the conclusion was "Our results demonstrate that light, delivered transcutaneously, improves recovery after injury and suggests that light will be a useful treatment for human SCI." This was published in Lasers and Surgery in 2005.

That being said, from looking at the pictures, both in the article and on the Thor site, it appears the Thor unit is probably an expensive laser, even if it can be purchased through the limited used market out there. It appears their units are designed for professional and research settings where there are large budgets available. You can ask, but I suspect that the price is probably at least $15,000, maybe a lot more, since that is the range for most of the medical lasers out there.

By comparison, even though it is still not cheap (at $3,800), the Q1000 (produced in South Dakota), may be a cost effective alternative. It has the 780 nm wave length, it has some settings that work with nerve regeneration, and can be specifically programmed with the known nerve regeneration frequencies and patterns. And anecdotally there are at least three, possibly more, documented cases where people made significant improvement from SCI injuries. All the cases I heard about were in a heavily Amish area, in the Indiana area, where a beautician in the town got a Q1000 cosmetology purposes, and began to find out that there were other health benefits, began to demonstrate the laser for various aches and pains, and soon was selling them in the community, and sold over 250 of them to different people in the region, many of them Amish. The Amish people began to try them on all types of ailments, from eye problems to paralysis, with success in all.

One of the SCI successes was related by Dr. Lytle on his Healing Light Seminar vides. It was a boy who had a trampoline accident at the age of 12. He was known in the community. Several years later a bus driver in the community purchased a laser, and to help the boy out, the bus driver apparently stopped by twice a week and would use his laser on the place of fracture on the boy's back, and did this over the space of several months. The result was that the boy was able to walk again, and the next fall he went on to college. It sounds as if he still had some limitations, but was able to do far more than before.

The other two cases were both ones that involved the same hairdresser. One was a boy who had a diving accident at the age of 15, and a spinal fracture (that the person describing it calls a C-4 fracture), and had to be totally looked after. Several years later, the hairdresser was giving him a haircut, and would let her clients use her laser on any aches and pains when she was working on their hair, etc. This young man apparenlty had some type of feeling, since he was suffering some indigestion, and she put the laser over his stomach area when she was cutting his hair. He claimed that he felt some warmth (something he had not felt before) and that was enough of a spark to get her going, and she went up and down his spine with the laser. In 3 weeks he was able to push back slightly with his feet, and now he is apparently able to feed himself and do other things he was not able to do previously.

The third one was a woman in her 60's who was helping roof their house and fell off, resulting in what was described as a C-5 injury, but more sensation than the boy. The same beautician was involved, she and the same type of activity - she was working on the woman's hair, had the laser on a discomfort area, and the woman claimed to notice some warmth in another area. It triggered the beautician to begin using the laser on her spine, and 3 months later she wsa up in a walker (something she couldn't do before), and she's apparenlty even walking on her own now.

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Learning1 (Inactive)May 19, 2009 • 6:59 AM

Tiger93 asked about the publication date.

I haven't been able to locate, but did find what appear to be the key research dates for papers published by Professor Juanita Anders.

From Juanita Anders' page at the Uniformed Services University ( http://www.usuhs.mil/nes/anders.html ) you go to the bottom of the page to "PubMed Search" and click on that.

While she has written a number (31) papers, there are two key papers related to SCI that are summarized in the search. One was done in 2005 titled "Light promotes regeneration and functional recovery and alters the immune response after spinal cord injury." The other was a JANUARY 2009 article titled "810 nm Wavelength light: an effective therapy for transected or contused rat spinal cord"

What is interesting to note in both articles is that it was an 810 nm laser diode that was used - a very common laser wave length. This is what both abstracts say about treatment method:

810 nm - 150 mW diode laser (dosage = 1,589 J/cm2).

810 nm - applied transcutaneously [on the skin] at the lesion site immediately after injury and daily for 14 consecutive days. A laser diode with an output power of 150 mW was used for the treatment. The daily dosage at the surface of the skin overlying the lesion site was 1,589 J/cm(2) (0.3 cm(2) spot area, 2,997 seconds).

It appears that Dr. Lytle's initial impression from his contacts with Dr. Anders dealt with a different frequency than she ultimately settled on, but that really shouldn't make a difference since the Q1000 also includes this frequency. But if it was a single frequency, higher power laser, it appears that the high tech features of the Q1000 (i.e. the soliton waves) may not be necessary, although they have worked for aiding partial recovery, based on the prior related cases.

The most reasonably priced laser with similar ratings that I've seen out there seems to be the VetroLaser (http://www.vetrolaser.com/) an 808 nm (very close in rating to 810) - 200 mw laser - it is a laser designed for animal use, but really there shouldn't be much difference between humans and animals for how flesh responds - after all, the tests were run on rats, and they are drawing their assumptions for humans. The key difference is FDA approval and claims that can be made. It appears that the 200 mw rating is actually from totalling the wattage of 3 separate lasers, all in the same package, so the challenge may be trying to determine the time needed to get the number of joules of energy per given area, since that is how you would calculate what timing should be for any experimenting, since if you go over, you basically stall any potential progress (and bring on unneeded discouragement). But the same could happen if the energy level isn't high enough either. Should be a decent little laser for basic pain relief also. Just don't look into it (might be a good idea to get the special glasses for it unless you're really careful). And make sure you have fresh batteries, since small lasers work best when the batteries are closer to a full charge. Relatively inexpensive NiMH rechargables should work well in this type of laser.

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tiger93 May 19, 2009 • 8:21 PM

Learning 1. I just purchased the THOR laser. Will see how that works out. Since my injury is 2 1/2 years old. I hope something happens. Thanks Learning 1.

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Learning1 (Inactive)May 20, 2009 • 4:54 AM

Tiger93,

I wish you the best. The Thor laser sounds like it may be more expensive, but it is the tried and true one from the rat studies, has proven itself in clinical settings, and you shouldn't go wrong with that one. And it should be fairly easy to figure out the dosage times used in the experiments (which seems to be a big part of the success).

Another of the rat experiments implied that at least some time between injury and treatment actually helped the chances of success. And the antedotal cases with the Q1000 also had a delay between injury and treatment. So your 2 and a half years of waiting may actually have helped.

Lasers and similar technologies are forms of what is loosely termed as "Energy Medicine". One of the things pointed out in energy medicine is that when there is a chronic injury or condition (one that has been around for a long time and has not resolved itself), the body eventually learns to ignore the problem. Scenar theory (one of the branches of energy medicine), which was developed by a well known Russian neurologist, Dr. Revenko, calls this an energy cyst - an area that the body has learned to ignore. This may help account for greater success with recovery in the immediate period after an injury than later times, even though they physical damage from the swelling may be the same.

The problem is that there really isn't much published, especially in English, related to SCI and Scenar / Cosmodic. One of the few articles in English (regarding a fresh injury) was an incident related by a Russian doctor (posted in August 2008) who was also a Scenar therapist, related at: http://www.scenar-therapy.com/publications/neck/. The bottom line was that his patient fell from the 2nd story at a construction site and fell onto a pile of rocks. When the man was brought to the doctor in the back of a car, the doctor's first reaction, based on symptions, was that the man's neck was broken - no unconsciousness, but limbs wouldn't obey, etc. He began treating the man right in the car, focussing Scenar treatment on the neck, and he began to respond and pupils went back to normal. When things began to improve he got the man up to his office, and his complete neck was blue, and he treated further. He worked on him for 3 hr with the VX735, and all his signs became normal. He then sent the man to the hospital to get X-Rays for peace of mind. The fellow's co-workers took their time, got him an insurance policy, then went to the hospital. According to the doctor, the "the X-ray doctors were shocked: 'displaced fracture of the spinous process of the C3'. And all that without any neurological issues and with the patient being in satisfactory condition!!! Just slight pain syndrome." (Note: the VX735 was the first Cosmodic unit, an advancement beyond regular Scenar).

The only reported Scenar study was done in about 2002 by a British physiotherapist who was also Scenar therapist (his name is Stephen Coleman), probably using a RITM device (the stable and dependable original version of the Scenar, which is still used by and promoted by Dr. Revenko), and the study combined Scenar with exercise therapy. The conclusion of the study was "the combination of SCENAR and Exercise Therapy has shown to

be extremely beneficial in improving a wide range of human physiological functions, even after

over 28 years of paralysis." This study was published on a number of RITM and other sceanar sites. I haven't been able to locate the therapist who ran this study to get an update, etc, but did track down his ex-wife, who says that he's moved and she doesn't know how he can be contacted.

I suspect that, if your budget will allow (after buying your Thor laser), it might be worth looking at a Scenar (and preferably a Cosmodic) device. In other settings, these have been shown to remind the body of the need to work on the injured areas and break what they call the "energy cyst". As long as the body's energy status isn't overloaded, laser and Scenar work well together, and even if temporarily overloaded, they work well in alternating. Given what has been shown in other injuries, I suspect that if anything will help kick start a recovery (especially since your injury was 2.5 years ago), this technology should assist.

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Learning1 (Inactive)May 20, 2009 • 10:16 PM

Tiger93,

I just read your profile - "C6-7 ... I can feel hot and cold."

Just a word of encouragement - your situation sounds very close to the couple of the antedotal cases from the Indiana area where laser use helped the people involved make substantial progress. I had hoped to link you to the recorded conversation between Glen Streeter, a sports therapist apparenlty in the Colorado area, and Dr. David Gawain, split into two parts (neither very long), where Dr. Gawain discussed the two people who were helped by their beautician in Indiana (summarized earlier) but I can't find the links today - at least one of those seems very close to your situation. I'll post the links later if I can find them.

One link of interest, from a conversation about 2 years ago between Glen (who had just begun working with a C-6 injury), and Dr. Irina Kossovoskaia (who at the time apparently didn't know of the 2002 scenar study), is here. Dr. Irina explains the scenar theory, i.e. that it should help, and that there were a number of antedotal cases she had heard of, especially for more recent injuries.

http://www.truescenar.com/media/audio/laserscenar/cosmoqa.mp3

And the story of the little bear which was paralyzed by a fall, apparently treated by laser within hours of his fall - http://www.laserscenarfusion.com/videos2.html

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Learning1 (Inactive)May 20, 2009 • 11:25 PM

The links I had been looking for:

http://www.truescenar.com/media/audio/gardenwithin/quadra.mp3

and

http://www.truescenar.com/media/audio/gardenwithin/quadra2.mp3

From his initial comments, it appears that Dr. Gawain, a naturopath, may have known his devices but at the time recorded (about 2 years ago) did not fully understand the nature of SCI, since he described the injury as a "C-4 completely severed", but the boy still had his autonomic nervous system working, just no sensation otherwise.

The one study from about 2002 can now be downloaded from a number of places, including:

http://www.scenarinstitute.org/images/DATA/content/scenar_rehabilitation_paralysis.pdf and http://www.scenarhealth.us/pdfs/scenar_rehabilitation_paralysis.pdf, http://www.tomatex.com/Texts/Publ1.pdf

A 2004 comment by Stephen Coleman, posted at:

http://www.scenar-revenko.ru/en/magazine/bulgaria.htm

"Steven Coleman:

'I’m helping people, who are considered to be hopeless!'

I’ve been treating paralyzed people with Scenar for four years. Even in the university I was looking for some ways to help those people and I was lucky: one of my professors had been on Zulia Frost’s seminar. That path brought me to Scenar. My patients come to see me twice a day. Beside a standard course of treatments I recommend an individual exercise program.

For example, my wife and I have managed to get sufficient results with one patient, ex mountain climber. She had been paralyzed for five years by the moment we met her. Reflexes in her legs were broken, urino-genital functions impaired. About movements she couldn’t even dream.

Now she has pressure in her bladder, reflexes are getting better, she even tries to walk using sticks. Tests show she has recovered for 10 percent. And this is not the only case among my patients, mostly sportsmen, paralyzed in result of serious traumas. I treat them with great enthusiasm, and their every step gives me more confidence and faith in absolute power of Scenar."

Another article, with a few more details (and includes some of his background - it says he had about "6 years of experience in Spinal Cord Injury

Rehabilitation having been trained in the Dikoul Institute form of exercise therapy" at the time) is at:

http://scenarnews.com/acrobat/scenar-therapy.pdf and gives one of Coleman's success stories. This site says "This article appeared in a British publication called Spinal Injuries Association in August 2002", so when this study was done, Coleman had about 2 years of experience in working with scenars (based on the 2004 article).

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tiger93 May 21, 2009 • 1:19 AM

Learning 1. Thank you so much. This is great help. I wll keep you posted. Thanks again for all your research you did to get me all this information. Thanks a million.

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Learning1 (Inactive)May 21, 2009 • 5:27 AM

Definitely keep me posted.

I don't have a SCI, but have a friend who does. He is coping, but doesn't talk about it. From his relatives it sounds like a crushing injury to two or three vertebrae in the T11 to L1 area. He was twisted, looking back, when a tree fell on him. His relatives call it a complete separation but I suspect what he has it is a complete paralysis from the badly bruised and crushed area. Not a difference in the resulting injury, but from the information I've seen it might make a difference in the potential for some of these things to help him. My digging began looking for something that might help him. Then I saw your question and figured this site might be a place where what I had run across might give someone some hope, or something to try. I hope I didn't overload you with everything I put down.

Now to see if I can find the right opportunity to discuss it with my friend and see if he's open to trying what might help.

With what is here, you have access to pretty well everything I've run across and dug up. The only recording you don't have a link to is the short comment on Dr. Lytle's Healing Light Seminar videos, but I've summarized the what he related there.

I guess that the only thing I haven't related (which should finish the information package) is the response from Dr. Karasev, the Russian engineer (a PhD - hence the title Dr.) who invented the Russian version of the TENS machine in 1973, then the Scenar devices, then worked with the Russian space development team and Dr. Revenko (the Russian neurologist who developed many techniques and theories for how it works in the body), then in 1990 went on his own to further refinements of his technology, eventually coming up with the Cosmodics, which are approved for use in the Russian hospitals, and apparently have had more success at regeneration than the 1990's version scenars (which had partial success).

About 3 years ago, Dr. Karasev was asked:

"Have the Professional 735v5 units (or any other type of devices that have been developed or under development) ever been used to treat spinal injuries with complete or partial paralysis? Have you had any success in restoring complete or partial mobility in patients who had spinal chord injuries resulting in complete or partial paralysis?"

His response at the time was "Such disorders can be successfully treated with our devices, but require complex application using three models: one model will heal the bedsores and normalize the intestine work and other organs and systems functioning; another model will provide regeneration of the damaged nerve fibres; and the third model is meant specially for restoration of atrophied muscles. Such method can also be used for elimination of conditions after unsuccessful surgery. One more thing – such treatment requires long time, about one year."

Dr. Karasev, because he is an engineer, not a therapist and not a medical doctor (both of whom can cite prior successes) is very limited in what he can say and the claims he can make, so getting an answer from him is hard unless he has a specific documented case he can point to.

I recently asked his office for an update. They indicated that what had been said previously was still true, but that the best device now for regeneration is the EX735Ag (which wasn't available then) since it has the most refined signal and has the full range of resonances. This device is also both Scenar and Cosmodic, and can switch back and forth between modes, depending on what the body needs. I had also asked about treatment methods to use. The essence of their response was that with the Cosmodic devices, specific techniques were not so important, but the device used was. [This is because these devices are very automated, and the most advanced are able to read the body better, and adapt to the body's needs better - they are highly refined biofeedback devices which work best when put in one spot and allowed to work. This is different from the earlier devices, where techniques are the key to success]. The did say that what you want to do is to move down from the point of injury (apparently to help trigger the body's healing process). And that when nerve regrowth begins and you want to begin to work on the atrophined muscles, it will probably work best using the VX735 on the muscles (since it has a much more aggressive signal, which can help the atrophined muscles).

From everything I've seen the technologies should help. I've been experimenting with them since about October on other types of problems. I got into them because of a badly banged finger that I ignored for a couple weeks, then when I noticed it, the finger wouldn't bend more than 5 or 10 degrees, even with stretching, and the regular doctors had no soluton. Eventually a hand doctor said they could eventually get back most of movement, over a year or year and a half of stretching, casting, restreching, recasting, etc, then extensive physio when it was finally extended. Within 5 weeks with the Cosmodic I was pretty well where I would have been using the traditional medical approach in a year or year and a half.

If you are eventually interested in the Scenars or Cosmodics, let me know and I can pass on what I've found out over the past few months, the pricing available, etc. Just as you've probably seen on the lasers, there are a number of Scenar brands out there, and then there are the LET Medical Cosmodics. And with any of the devices, there are differnces in pricing, depending on where you get them from. For example, you can the LET Medical devices direct, or thru the Ukrane, or from the North American distributor. The North American distributor adds on up to $1000 on the suggested price, but provides a training program and support in return. But that is something for the future. The laser alone may be enough to get you the benefits you are looking for, or at least get your recovery well on the road. After all, it worked with the rats, so there is no reason for it not to work with humans.

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Learning1 (Inactive)Jun 19, 2009 • 7:44 PM

Other associated research holds a lot of hope for SCI regeneration. Gary Wade, a physicist, ran an interesting experiment using pulsed magnetic therapy, done at the CCID lab, where he showed that scar tissue could be converted to embryonic like tissue with the right stimulation. http://www.rifeenergymedicine.com/spinalrepair.html

He suggests that this is an area that should be researched for SCI scar tissue. An article that mentions what triggered the thought for the research is at http://www.horsemagneticpulser.com/HMPstory.pdf. Basically the trigger was somebody who had used a magnetic pulser for other problems (to recover from an infection), and ended up having his shoulder / rotator cuff heal in the process, with the result that he no longer needed scheduled surgery. The physicist who did this research, eventually came up with a more powerful pulser for horses to help with their healing. There is an iterview with him on his original research and the horse magnetic pulser at: http://www.horsemagneticpulser.com/HMPvideointerview.html.

Dr. Anders has been involved with some recent similar but unrelated laser research into similar types of cells and has apparenlty, in a research setting, had similar results using laser technology. She has a published paper on this research. The findings described by Wade, and in Dr. Anders' paper on the laser research, may explain part of what was behind the recovery / regeneration in the 2005 (timing approximate) rate experiments which had results.

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