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Gardener Symptom Series: Alien vs Prednisone

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Gardener Symptom Series: Alien vs Prednisone

The following is part of the Gardener Symptom Series. I believe that Sarcoidosis is an inherited genetic disorder along the lines of other immune disorders, such as rheumatoid arthritis. I do not believe Sarcoidosis is the result of external triggers or pathogenic causes. I do not believe the severity or likelihood is based on race, environment, nation of origin, or habitual causes. Children, livestock, and people from at least 100 years ago suffered from Sarcoidosis, thus ruling out any modern, adult, or human habits. I believe the cure will be found in advanced gene therapy.

Because Sarcoidosis is a systemic disorder of the body’s own immune system, it may manifest as inflammation or granulomatous deposits anywhere in the body, at any time, interfering chemically or mechanically with any and all normal body functions. That is what I hope to document here, the wide variety of symptoms based on my own experience which is, of course, merely anecdotal.


Alien vs Prednisone—Sarcoidosis and Corticosteroids

First, you’re told you have Lymphoma. And that Lymphoma is a horrible cancer of the lymphatic system. And you might die soon. Then you are told, no, it’s actually something called Sarcoidosis. And that Sarcoidosis is a self-limiting disorder that is not cancer, so be thankful. Oh, and by the way, you might die soon—maybe. And then you are told to take Prednisone. And that Prednisone may or may not work, and comes with its own grim laundry list of known side effects. And after a while, you will want to die soon.

The above is usually the rule rather than the exception with a person’s first diagnosis with Sarcoidosis. And I could not write a series on Sarcoidosis symptoms without mentioning that one of the top causes of symptoms is one of the most common treatments: corticosteroids. And two of the most common brand names are Prednisone and Prednisolone.

Here's a quick review of what Preds are and how they relate to Sarcoidosis; made really super-simple-for-theGardener’s-second-grade-Fisher-Price-brain: Sarcoidosis is painful, debilitating inflammation and granuloma formation from a whacked-out immune system stuck in over-drive. Corticosteroids, like Prednisone, suppress the immune system and thereby, in theory, suppress Sarcoidosis symptoms. Sounds good, right? Unfortunately that last part does not always apply, but it does suppress the immune system, opening the patient up to a whole new set of problems and nasty side affects, which, if you listen to Prednisone users, may be worse than the Sarcoidosis itself.

When doctors are first confronted with their own ignorance regarding Sarcoidosis, they often default to the age-old course of action described in the dusty Merck manual on the shelf, and prescribe Prednisone without a second thought as to whether it is actually warranted. Because when you are a physician billing health insurance $400 a visit, one must keep up appearances and anything is better than putting a finger aside your lip and uttering “duh.”

The down side to this particular brand of doctorly hubris is that Prednisone is more akin to the fire than the frying pan. Fortunately for me, I was well-read on the subject before I met with my beloved Dr. Do-Very-Little and told him “no thanks” when he tried to give me the Prednisone-Send-Off. With a little research on the part of the Sarcoidosis sufferer, one will read that:

1.) Sarcoidosis is incurable.

2.) Sarcoidosis is not understood and its symptoms are unpredictable

3.) In many cases Sarcoidosis symptoms may resolve after a time (36 months average.)

4.) Prednisone is very understood and its symptoms are predictable.

5.) Prednisone may or may not have an effect on lessening Sarcoidosis symptoms.

I chose to go the path of “let’s see what happens without popping little pills of evil incarnate.” And I’m glad I did.

I have had some really nasty bouts of severe Sarcoidosis symptoms after my “official diagnosis” but they all seemed to wax and wane, and thankfully, today, I’m relatively just about as right-as-rain. The lungs issues were the worst, and the fear of things getting worse almost sent me pale to the doctor, hat in hand. But I didn’t. I waited it out. And I got better without anything so much as a measly aspirin.

Now that makes me wonder; what if I did get on the cortico-bandwagon and started popping those jagged little pills and then my lungs got better. Would it have been the Preds? Or would it have been the wait? Good question. But I gosh-darned guarantee if I took the Preds my lungs might be better, but I’m not so sure about the rest of me.

From where I sit here, reading oodles and oodles of postings and emails and testimonies of every sort, the conclusion I have come to is that those on Prednisone cannot tell what symptom is from Sarc and what is from Preds. Alien or Pred-ator. Many times the symptoms that a person is complaining about and blaming on Prednisone, is the exact same symptom I had from simply having Sarc. This tells me two things: The Prednisone is not working for them, and they could have dealt with the symptoms all along without the dangers of Prednisone.

Here is that pleasant laundry list of ‘possible’ side effects that Prednisone may cause:

Headache, dizziness, difficulty falling asleep or staying asleep, inappropriate happiness, extreme changes in mood, changes in personality, bulging eyes, acne, thin, fragile skin, red or purple blotches or lines under the skin, slowed healing of cuts and bruises, increased hair growth, changes in the way fat is spread around the body, extreme tiredness, weak muscles, irregular or absent menstrual periods, decreased sexual desire, heartburn, increased sweating, vision problems, eye pain, redness, or tearing, sore throat, fever, chills, cough, or other signs of infection, seizures, depression, loss of contact with reality, confusion, muscle twitching or tightening, shaking of the hands that you cannot control, numbness, burning, or tingling in the face, arms, legs, feet, or hands, upset stomach, vomiting, lightheadedness, irregular heartbeat, sudden weight gain , shortness of breath, especially during the night ,dry, hacking cough, swelling or pain in the stomach swelling of the eyes, face, lips, tongue, throat, arms, hands, feet, ankles, or lower legs, difficulty breathing or swallowing, rash, hives, itching, may slow growth and development in children, may increase the risk that you will develop osteoporosis. Some patients who took Prednisone or similar medications developed a type of cancer called Kaposi's sarcoma.

Wow. Rest assured, my list of Sarcoidosis complaints was never that long. And if you’ve noticed, many of the above possible side effects are exactly the same as those caused by Sarcoidosis; a true no win – no win situation.

Famous Sarcoidosis starlet and Prednisone victim, Karen Duffy, tells the tale of a date gone wrong. Her eager suitor arrived at her door expecting a lithe young Vee-Jay, but instead was greeted by a bloated woman with a Prednisone induced moustache. Corticosteroids are an equal opportunity disaster.

Now, I am NOT against the use of Prednisone, any corticosteroids, or powerful drugs for that matter, but I am against the default prescribing of such things without patient/doctor education and a willingness to wait-and-see if symptoms are manageable and if the patient can learn to live with some discomforts. But many patients are themselves to blame, thinking that doctors have all the answers, and they indirectly demand to be treated immediately for their discomfort. A doctor will usually comply... with corticosteroids.

There are many cases where corticosteroids are indeed a necessary evil, such as when the Grim Reaper is holding court and emergency measures need be taken; severe cases of advanced lung dysfunction, heart infestation, nerve and brain impediment, and your precious eyes. These powerful drugs can save lives and vision, but they also have the potential to do serious harm; it is not a flip decision to accept or ask for Prednisone therapy. It must be an informed decision by both doctor and patient; agreeing equally to a course of action—or no action.

The following are true testimonials about Prednisone and corticosteroid use from actual Sarcoidosis sufferers; brave souls all:

Page—60 mgs a day—“Its rough on the already hurting joints, makes you swell in areas that are not pretty or comfortable and it just kind of adds to the already sick/flu like sypmtoms. Its rough stuff.”

Phaedra—50 mgs a day—“I hate it. What is the point of a treatment that makes you feel worse?”

Rachel—20 mgs a day, tapered to 0 over 367 days—“Like towing a trailer through the mountains, it's not starting that's the problem, it's stopping at the bottom.”

Briand—60 mgs a day, tapered to 15 mgs a day—“Made a difference, my heart didn't race. I feel a little better. Cons: Causes massive hunger, nervousness, insomnia, anger. Pros: Cleared up my achy joints, lowered my calcium count, lowered my kidney function numbers, enhanced my eyesight.”

Kimberly— 40 mgs a day, tapered to 5 mgs—“I had a horrible throat/sinus infection, headaches and back pains the entire 3 months.”

Scmom23—40 mgs a day tapered to 5 mgs (10mg during flares) over five years—“I have not been able to taper to zero as Sarc symptoms come back in force when I try to go below 5 mgs. I did lose the 45 lbs I gained at the high doses, but still cannot workout like the old days. I'm just really tired all the time, but at least I don't feel the need to eat a whole cow everyday!”

Jill—135 mgs a day with a slow taper—“It has been two weeks now. I am in pure hell! The shakes, mood swings, no sleep, and the bone/joint pain is becoming intolerable. All I can say is that it better work or this pain will be for nothing! I have never been on anything this awful in my entire life.”

Bunkie—60 mgs a day with a taper 0—“I’m back up to 40 mgs a day and still tapering. Brittle bones, mouth sores, gum issues, hair loss, bad dreams, nervousness, crazy yeast, eating every three hours or dizzy, hot flashes, funny spots on skin, loss of padding on feet and multiple chemical sensitivity. No diabetes yet.”

Melissa_e—10 mgs at diagnosis—“Made me sicker than I was, I think. Tapered off and started Plaquenil. Can't really tell what that's doing but still in a lot of pain. New rheumatologist talked me into going back on 5 mgs of Prednisone six weeks ago. It has helped my joint pain with no side effects, yet.”

Lauren—10mgs a day, up to 78 mgs a day—“Cons: Complete adrenal shut-down! Cushings Syndrome (Moon face, large stomach, hump on upper back), Addison’s Disease, fractured spine, cataract's on both eyes (which left me blind for one year), fourteen stomach ulcers, 110 pound weight gain in six months, acne, and a depression so severe that I checked myself into a mental health center. After I found myself in a group circle bouncing a beach ball for a half-hour, I checked myself out, went home, and grabbed my own beach ball, and went to the beach. Pros: None.”

Ruth—60 mgs a day, tapered to 5 mgs and back up to 10 mgs—“Twenty months later I seem to breathe better, but gained nearly 80 lbs, lung function has decreased, aches and pains are bad. Hard to tell what is Sarc and what is side effect. First doctor wanted to avoid. I can understand why!”

Nasus—40 mgs a day, tapered to 20 mgs—“I felt horrible before the Pred and I still feel horrible after. I agree, it’s hard to tell what’s Pred related & what’s Sarc related. So all I can go on are the symptoms I had before the Pred. Many more symptoms now but I do have one pro... my chest pains have gotten a lot better. I don't like the drug at all!”

Cora42—80 mgs twice a day—“Gained 40 lbs in six weeks; moon face, hump in back, insomnia, sweats, mood swings, etc. The worst of the effects I had was that one day I decided I was going to drive my car into a tree. I don't know where the urge came from and I didn't care, thankfully I came to my senses in time. I called the doctor immediately and was taken off the drug ASAP. Doctor’s diagnosis was that it was caused by mental stress (ya think)!”

Yikes.

— My name is theGardener, I have two dogs, a cat, sarcoidosis, and Prednisone free.

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Well I agree on most of your theories TG. I am Alien ( see my first blog) but I have also been a pred -eater and when I was diagnosed I refused pred because of the side effects I have experienced in the past as an asthmatic. So my symptoms did linger on a bit but I didn't get the moon face to go with the numb face! Thankfully I was spared the lymphoma diagnosis, for the just as alarming ''Lung Cancer and possible secondaries' one. So yes Sarcoidosis was in my GP's words ( and it was a week off Christmas, so who can blame him.) just a little thing that a few steriods would sort out. I also agree with your theory that Sarcoidosis maybe genetic and that it is not based on race, or nation of origin, although I do wonder about environmental causes, as it seems to appear in clusters. My auntie who was a very knowledgable person and who had worked in the feild of medicine, discussed it with me after I was diagnosed, she said in her day Sarcoidosis was treated with complete bed rest for months ( I suppose a lot of things were in her day, TB etc. talking 1940's, 50's) but in a way the resting never seemed like a bad idea to me because I was continually tired and still am a bit, so I cut back on work and rest up when I am not feeling well and this normally helps. I think medicine today is working on the McDonalds Theory, get them in, give them what they need and make sure they don't hang around too long. ( I mean that in the best connotation, you see?)
I have been pred free for over 5 years, spend almost ten years on short to medium doses for really bad asthma, yes in some cases pred saved my life ( and it does save lives) but since being free of those little red pills I am breathing better than ever.

I enjoy your posts they are very interesting,

Best
S

Gardner
I am on 135 mg a day.......yes, 135! I have severe cardiac sarcoidosis. I just wanted you to understand that it was not a typo, I really am on that strong! That is my pure hell!

Jill

T.G. and other contributors,

This is very timely information for me. I was just diagnosed last week and I'm meeting with my rheumatologist this Friday. I'm sure that she will want to talk about treatment options. After reading all the comments here, I would only consider taking Prednisone (or any other steroid) as a last resort.

Unless the sarc has progressed to my heart or other vital organs, I think I'll do as I have been doing up to this point - listen to my body and self-medicate with Ibuprofen or Naproxen.

I'm fairly new to this sarc stuff, but I've noticed that the times that I have "flare ups" are when I'm under a lot of stress or over-exert myself. I feel blessed that I have had pretty minor inconveniences so far. I haven't even had to take any time off work for being sick, although I have missed about a week's worth of work for all the doctor appointments and procedures I've been through for the past couple months!

TG,
I apprieciate your perspective and find that many of the things you write are what I've been pondering in my sarc. fog induced brain. I've only been on pred. for 2 1/2 months and thank God that I read this. I'm on 20 mg daily but I'm going to start weaning off it now so I can really see how I feel. To coin one of your T-shirts (no soliciting funds) I had a life....now I have sarcoidosis. Well, before prednisone I had a life even with sarcoidosis. The only new thing is the prednisone. The Dr.s don't really know, we are responsible to stay informed. My head was in the sand too long. Thanks for your insight.
Pat-y

Hello
Great post.

So true, gardener, so true. I think I've posted enough about my prednisone experience, still in the taper. I had always swore I would let the good Lord take me before I ever took prednisone, but when it got down to the wire and I was laying in the ER and I just couldn't breathe and my family is staring at me like "We know how you feel about the steroids, but we can't lose you". So I've been on 40mg for over a month and like I posted before, it keeps me breathing but no nodes are shrinking. Will probably be trying something else. But, yes, the side effects are hell. Straight up. Can't put it more simple than that. It's the pill we love to hate. And all the docs say "It's a crap shoot with whatever side effects a person gets." That's neat.
Speaking of that drug, I was balling my head off yesterday. My shih-tzu, who is 8 years old and like a kid to me had to be put on prednisone. He had severe allergies this fall and had no quality of life and was literally going insane. The prednisone worked for him, but he had to be on it for a few months. We are tapering now and so far, so good. But now he has what the vet calls "Pred Head". All of a sudden he had the pointiest head ever. Like a new bone had grown and it's so silly looking. The vet said this happens with long term treatment and it's from the muscles loss on his head. And he won't get it back. So he needs to be tapered quicker, but I'm keeping a close eye on him, if he starts acting miserable or itching comes back, I gotta call the vet. He doesn't have any pain and he's happy as ever, but he can't be treated again with prednisone or he will be having troubles.
So I was crying and freaking out and saying "I could never be a parent, I should haven't let this happen. I ruined my dogs head...Oh my God!!!!!" Throwing myself around....it's my new thing. But then my mom and all my friends who are parents explained I did the best I could and this just happened to happen.
So, yeah, there's my pred head story. My dad, who is learning as he goes, asked if I was going to get a pointy head....God bless him. I said it was a crap shoot, no, I haven't heard of it for humans. But I told him to start buying me hats........ooohh, now that I look, there is my dog Shadow in my pic, not the same head. Will have to update that...it's so pathetic.
Closing thoughts and I have this posted on myspace and it applies for men and women...."Prednisone: turns you into a fat, crazy bitch in one step!"...and I can get away with saying that because I have gained 25 pds and can get way more moody than I ever imagined.
Take care everyone and always praying, Dawn

I'm still learning about sarcoidosis, but do agree genetics plays a role, as my mom had lupus and RA, but still think it may be a combination of factors. I was just recently diagnosed and like you said, doctor gave me Prednisone right away for a month. I started at 60 and weaned down to 20, which I think was too high a dose to stop at. My pulmonary doc said he didn't think I need to take more, just monitor my condition and family doc said I should be on it for 4 months, then reevaluate. We agreed on another chest scan when I get back from a trip in late January before we discuss more Prednisone. These posts have given me a lot to think about before I try that route again. I was also told twice that I had lymphoma in eye orbit and then chest lymph nodes before they settled on sarcoidosis. I have no lung or heart, other organs involved at this point. Definitely did not like the foggy brain thing when I stopped the meds, will give it a lot of thought before trying it again.

Has anyone ever heard of liposome glutathione? A nurse practitioner friend who worked for doc who did both standard and holistic medical practice said they had good results with treating cases with lung involvement. Been researching it to learn more.

Very interesting to read all your posts/opinions!

Hello Gardener. I have not seen where you had been on here for awhile and I wondered how you was doing. Good to see you on here. Take care.

Very impressive take on Pred Mr G. I couldn't agree more - isn't it remarkable how easy it is to agree with people who reach the same conclusions as yourself..... ? And how satisfying?

This is the first of your musings I've encountered (and yes, my first encounter with sarc happened almost exactly as you described) and I'll be looking up your others.

All the best.

Hello Gardner

Haven't heard from you in awhile. When I get on I look for your postings. Hard to keep up with all the malarky around us all. I have been on and off Pred for more than half my life with this so called self limiting disease.
As long as I can breate at all I am not going back on cause one minute I feel like WonderWomaN {IN A FAT WAY}. Withdraw slowely, and then suddenly you have more aches and pains.
I don't know what causes it but it truly sucks. However I just had a cold and in three days it went away. I usually get real sick with each cold. I quit smoking and besides the Sarc I am pretty good.
Two new knees--------now what are they doing for a new brain-----I am sure it is in the works.

Happy Holidays
Ellen up here in Jersey

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