Hello Heart Sisters,
The following wisdom is from Dr. Charlotte Thompson, a pediatrician and professor of medicine at UC San Diego, and a practising physician for over 50 years.
"It is hard to believe that so many Americans are buying the terrible lies being spread by the health insurance and drug companies, as well as rich Republicans who have ties to these companies. A doctor friend recently sent me information about the amount of money that is being spent by the drug, health product, and health insurance companies to keep health care in its present lucrative state. For them.
According to the Center for Responsible Politics, in just one three-month period:
* health product companies spent $67 million on lobbying
* insurance companies spent $39 million
* hospitals and nursing homes spent $25 million
This is just for three months with a total of $133,271,660. When your hear that 18,000 people die each year for lack of medical care and one million homes are lost yearly due to medical bills, you wonder if any of these lobbyists have a conscience. How could you possibly be a lobbyist for one of these companies?
When I hear people like Sarah Palin say that President Obama plans to have a "death panel" to decide if special needs and elderly people should live, I wonder how anyone could have elected her governor of Alaska. Don't people read newspapers and books or do they just look at Fox News or Facebook? Our country has sunk to new lows when I see individuals who receive Medicare screaming about not having any government control of medicine. Who do they think runs Medicare??"
She sounds like one feisty old doc who might be making a lot of sense.
She also has several other interesting postings on topics like 'Different Reactions to A Serious Diagnosis' that may strike a chord with some of us.
http://www.findinggoodmedicalcare.com/
See what you think....
XOXOXO
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'Big Money Behind Opposition to Health Plan Legislation'
- By Kennarina
- Posted August 12, 2009 at 9:10 pm · 22 replies
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- By Nancy-in-KC
- Posted August 12, 2009 at 9:58 pm
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Thank you, Carolyn for posting this link. We are hearing so much negative about this issue, it is refreshing to see someone step up and put some additional information out there that isn't just unbridled bashing.
Nancy
- By laurahc
- Posted August 13, 2009 at 8:01 am
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Another thanks for posting something rational to counter the lies and misinformation. I mean, come on--death panels? Really? REALLY?
When Palin started talking about that, she sounded *exactly* like my mother-in-law, who had Alzheimer's and dementia, and who would go off on long rants about how Bill Clinton and Henry Kissinger were conspiring to kill off all the old people using anthrax, and the U.N. was trying to kill *all* of us with "poisoned tomatoes," and Trilateral Commission this and tin-foil hat that... Sigh.
- By Maude48
- Posted August 13, 2009 at 9:48 am
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I am not opposed to health care reform, perse, but with the potential, massive intrusion into our lives. I am happy with my insurance. Social Security, the postal system and Medicare are all run by the government and all losing massive amounts of money. I don't want some pencil-pusher in DC to have my medical records and make decisions on my life. Medicaid and Medicare are riddled with fraud. Do you think the health care systems is going to be any better?
If it's going to be so great, why are the members of Congress signing on? They're keeping what they have now.
The socialized systems in Europe are failing and losing money.
I am 61 and have congestive heart failure. What do you think are the chances of my getting further surgery if this program goes through? I'll be kicked to the curb.
We need tort reform. The malpractice attorneys are bleeding our system. Doctors have to raise fees because of them. They are preforming unnecessary tests because they are afraid of law suits. Get rid of the fraud and the waste in the present government systems.
We cannot afford this legislation. It won't work. I'm with Thoreau, the government which governs least is the government which governs best.
This admininstration has taken over the banking system, car manufactures and now want to run one sixth of our economy, the health care system. The majority of our population likes their insurance.
Yes, we need to include those who cannot afford insurance. We need to force those who will not get health insurance to do so, like car insurance.
We do not need to socialize this country anymore.
- By Hrt2Hrt
- Posted August 13, 2009 at 10:32 am
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I hope that you take the time to read an "opposIng" view. I am convinced that we are headed toward socialized medicine. Why should the gov. run healthcare any better than they have run the post office of any other business that they have taken control of. Hrt2Hrt
Liberals Literally Buying Support
One of the more frustrating refrains used by liberals looking to denigrate the popular outrage against government-run healthcare is to dismiss the protests as “Astroturf” or the “Brooks Brothers Brigade.” Both suggest that opposition to socialized healthcare has been artificial or bought and paid for, that it’s not a genuine grassroots uprising, but “manufactured anger,” as the White House press secretary recently put it.
The charge is patently false. In fact, the exact opposite is true. The Left has a history of using “rent-a-mobs” like ACORN’s “muscle for money” program. Now there is more proof that liberals are literally having to buy support for healthcare reform. Sunday, the RedState blog posted links to Craig’s List ads looking to hire activists to promote healthcare reform for $11-16 per hour. Meanwhile, Rich Lowry of the National Review writes that the drug industry has cut a deal with the Obama White House and will spend $150 million this summer on ads promoting healthcare reform. And we know the labor unions are spending millions on ads and turning out their supporters too.
With Big Labor and Big Business in bed with Big Government, it’s amazing this bill has been slowed down at all. But who is looking out for average Americans? You are! You are not being fooled by the double-talk and slick rhetoric. You know Big Government’s track record of wasteful spending and inefficient bureaucracy. And you don’t want it getting in the way of the healthcare you and your family need.
The People Are Speaking Up!
Democrat John Dingell of Michigan is the dean of the House the Representatives. He’s been in Congress since 1955 and is the longest serving member of Congress today. He also happens to be the lead sponsor of the nationalized healthcare bill, a cause he has been fighting for since 1955. Every two years, Dingell is reelected by wide margins, and Barack Obama carried 66% of the vote in Dingell’s solidly Democrat district.
Last week, Rep. Dingell held a town hall meeting on healthcare reform, and the Washington Times was there to cover the meeting. Consider these two statements from folks who attended:
* “It seems to me this is a push to nationalizing everything. The government has put us through so much financial stress. It’s burdensome on all Americans, and the middle class will be squeezed out, for sure. I’m not in favor of it. I’m very angry."
* “I don’t want government deciding if I can have a hip replacement or whether I should just be in a wheelchair for the rest of my life. …This is Big Brother. And to hear Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi talk about a mob scene at these events. There are no buses out there. People are so mad, but our elected officials are not listening, so this has become festering frustration. I fear if we don’t do something, this is going to be shoved on through.”
The first quote does not come from a wealthy business executive, but from a 63 year-old retired social worker. The second quote is not from a conservative activist, but from a retired elementary school teacher and union negotiator, and a registered Democrat.
Beyond the anecdotal evidence, numerous polls prove socialized medicine is not popular. Two weeks ago, I reported on five polls conducted in a 24-hour period that all measured broad opposition to government-run healthcare. Yesterday, pollster Scott Rasmussen released a new survey of likely voters. Here are the key findings:
* 42% of likely voters support the congressional healthcare reform plan; 53% oppose it. Those figures represent a 16-point swing in the past two weeks against the bill.
* The intensity of opposition to the bill is twice as strong as the intensity of support for it: 44% of voters strongly oppose the bill, while just 26% strongly support it.
* Now get this: 62% of independent voters oppose the congressional healthcare reform bill and 51% strongly oppose it! Among senior citizens, 46% are strongly opposed.
* 51% of voters believe that the quality of healthcare will get worse if this bill passes (26% think quality will improve), and 51% of voters also believe that costs will go up if this bill passes. Only 19% believe President Obama’s argument that a thousand-page, trillion-dollar “reform” bill, full of government mandates, will make costs go down.
Politicians like Nancy Pelosi know full well what these polls are saying: The people do not want socialized medicine. They know the outrage at the town hall meetings is not manufactured, but very real as the intensity of strong opposition measured in these polls demonstrates. That is what makes the Left’s desperate attempts to dismiss the concerns of so many citizens so dangerous. Their statements about “Astroturf” are so obviously disingenuous that they invite further backlash. And labeling fellow citizens as “un-American” is just throwing gasoline on the fire.
Speaking Of Costs…
Today’s Wall Street Journal has a very informative editorial about “The Truth of Health Insurance,” what Obama says he wants to do and what it may cost you. Here are some key excerpts:
“New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts have both community rating and guaranteed issue. And, no surprise, they have the three most expensive individual insurance markets among all 50 states, with premiums roughly two to three times higher than the rest of the country. In 2007, the average annual premium in New Jersey was $5,326 for singles and in New York $12,254 for a family, versus the national average of $2,613 and $5,799, respectively. ObamaCare would impose New York-type rates nationwide.
“…ObamaCare would impose on all 50 states rules that have already proven to be failures in numerous states. Because these mandates would raise the cost of insurance, ObamaCare would then turn around and subsidize individuals to buy the insurance that the politicians made more expensive. Only in government could such irrationality be sold as ‘reform.’”
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- By laurahc
- Posted August 13, 2009 at 10:43 am
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No one's trying to take away your choice!!! How many times does the President have to say it? IF YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE PLAN YOU HAVE NOW, you can keep it. Sigh.
- By Kennarina
- Posted August 13, 2009 at 11:36 am
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Hey Laura! Maybe Sarah Palin also has dementia and Alzheimers and wears a tin foil hat! That would explain a lot..... :-)
Once again, as a Canadian (land of commie, pinko socialized medicine!) I know I have no say in what's about to happen with our neighbours to the south, but it galls me to hear outright misinformation like the 'death panel' or that you 'won't be able to have a hip replacement' under the new system.
If your health care system were actually working (and it is NOT - I invite you to merely re-read the horrific stories on this very site about bankruptcies, collection agencies at the door, heart patients unable to go to the ER anymore, and, just recently, $83,000 to pay for a stent?!?!) and then vote that this IS somehow working!
It is so interesting to us in Canada how even the words 'socialized medicine' are enough to shut down the argument for some Americans. It must be an inbred philosophical opposition. I don't get it! We call it "universal health care" up here - maybe that term wouldn't be so frightening for you.
This is a very interesting debate - as fear-mongerers struggle to hold onto a system that is so clearly flawed.
:-)
XOXOXO
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- By Kennarina
- Posted August 13, 2009 at 12:47 pm
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PS The World Health Organization ranks the U.S. health care system 37th in the world.
RightHealth.com 'Daily Dose' newsletter reports this morning:
"The United States health care debate is in full swing. Will health care in our country change for the better once it’s over? With the US being the country that spends the most on health care - and not necessarily with the best results - I certainly hope so. According to the World Health Organization, the US health care system ranks 37th in the world in terms of quality and fairness. How is it possible that many industrialized nations spend far less than we do and are able to obtain better outcome measures? While there is no one health care model out there that perfectly suits our unique country, we should be able to learn from these countries in order to solve our health care woes. This is exactly what NPR commentator and veteran Washington Post foreign correspondent T. R. Reid does in a great television documentary, 'Sick Around The World' - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/
- that explores the various health care systems in Germany, Great Britain, Japan, Taiwan and Switzerland. If you care about US health care, then you owe it to yourself to learn about health care around the world. [via PBS]."
XOXOXO
http://www.myheartsisters.org
- By iowachris
- Posted August 13, 2009 at 1:59 pm
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Let's not do political name calling on this site it's not good for my heart. I for one voted for Sarah Pallin, and I don't live in Cananda, I live in the USA. I will proudly say I am a Republican and I am not rich.
Maude48 and Hrt2Hrt I agree - government just doesn't do well with running programs - look at Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare. Maude 48 you took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks!!!!
If I wanted to live in a socialized and not far off from being communistic country, I would move to China.
I thought this site was for womenhearts!!!
- By laurali
- Posted August 13, 2009 at 8:30 pm
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You know what is really sad to me? I have quit watching, or reading the news. I simply get too upset listening to people rant with no facts, experience, figures, logic, to back them up. I have worked as a "pencil-pushing" gov't worker and in a state Medicaid program for a time. They have been talking about waste and fraud since 1970 -- it's primarily just BUZZ. There is no more fraud in that program than in the IRS. I also worked for many years in the PR/marketing side of things -- believe me, if you want to check sources (which it seems a lot of people don't) follow the $$$. I have also worked for many years in the corporate world (yes, tried all of them). There is plenty of waste and fraud in that sector too, believe me. So, what does all the ranting and screaming get anyone. Can't people forget about labels for once and look at facts and figures that come from more than Fox or Rush Limbaugh. If that's your primary source, please at least look at one other source too. Meanwhile, I'm not frightened about "death panels" I'm frightened about the way a large part of our population cannot seem to think logically anymore. It's very sad and is not going to get us anywhere. Sad Hugs, laurali
- By laurali
- Posted August 13, 2009 at 11:12 pm
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Hi Iowachris -- I totally respect your right to vote for whomever your choose, etc. I just have a question for you, as I hear a lot of people say negative things about social security. What about it is so bad? Yes, I know they are running out of money, but that happens when you pay out more than you take in. The population is aging and this is bound to happen if taxes aren't raised accordingly. My parents received their SS checks every month, and were well taken care of by Medicare for 20 years. Hubby and I receive our SS checks every month and have had no problem getting good care under Medicare. So, what is it I don't get? I truly would like to hear from you. Also, if a person is wholly against government care, he/she does not have to sign up for either SS or Medicare. One of my uncles felt that he could well afford his retirement and care and never did collect SS or Medicare. So, it is possible to opt out. Do you think anti-government folks understand this? Hope to hear back from you! Hugs, laurali
- By ckspring
- Posted August 14, 2009 at 4:43 pm
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iowachris, Maude48 and hrt2hrt, you have it right! And, the numbers about the amount of money long-term care providers spend on lobbying is primarily directed at making sure there are no cuts in Medicare and Medicaid so they can take care of their patients when medical costs continue to rise! Do you really think they shouldn't lobby for that?
I sure as heck do not want the government controlling what health care I get. Also, the idea that I will be able to keep my health care under "universal" health care is preposterous. The legislation says that if an employer makes ANY change to the health care plan, all participants must be put into the government program. Furthermore, what employer will continue to provide health care if the government will do it? Hopefully they would try to offer a supplement to cover all of the things the government will refuse to pay for.
A little anecdote to summarize how I feel about national health care . . . Just 2 weeks ago I saw my cardiologist. I was having some symptoms that he did not think were heart related (but he was not sure and, like a top notch cardiologist, did not dismiss them) and I did not meet the specific factors that warranted a nuclear stress test, but he recommended I take one anyway as a precautionary measure. I chose to do it and the peace of mind I have from that is priceless (I did 11.8 METS, up from 10.2 two years ago and above the rate someone my age, 51, who has not had a heart attack, 2 stents and SCA normally would be expected to do!!) I do not think for one minute I would have been able to take that test under national health care. That is not OK with me. Apparently it isn't OK for our folks in Congress either, as they have written themselves out of the legislation. Once they are willing to include themselves, I may be willing to re-examine my feelings on this.
- By ceebee
- Posted August 17, 2009 at 12:40 am
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to the naysayers of a public option or health insurance reform...
anyone who has been denied a prescription medication that the doctor wrote for you... or who has been denied a procedure by an insurance company... and especially anyone who has a "pre-existing condition" which everyone in this forum has... needs to get on board with reform.
Fraud is rampant in the insurance industry. there are very few regulations to prevent them. premiums are increasing at ridiculous rates and there's nothing to stop them. our system is out of control and talk about debt that will be passed along to your children and grandchildren... we won't have to wait that long to see some outrageous deficits. United Health Care made more than 700 MILLION dollars in the last QUARTER. Don't you think companies like that have a big incentive to prevent reform?
The government has done pretty good running the postal service... consider delivering mail to millions daily of people for a pittance. UPS and Fedex won't do it. If Medicare is so horrible ... then maybe we should just dump it. Let seniors get private insurance... if they can afford it and IF the companies would take them. GOOD LUCK.
- By ckspring
- Posted August 17, 2009 at 10:31 am
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Private industry is not the only culprit. Fraud is also rampant in the government. Waste is even more rampant. Once the government runs the insurance companies out of business, it will be worse. The vast majority of our government's debt is due to Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security. Do you honestly think the government can run a cost effective health care program without rationing? Just how do you start covering all of the people without insurance (including many who choose not to buy health insurance when offered) and not run up the deficit? If you were worried about passing along costs to your grandchildren, what did you do to stop the stimulus packages? I do not want my health care jeopardized because of our country's past financial mismanagement. And USPS has done such a great job that it is planning to discontinue Saturday deliveries (after it has raised the price of postage exponentially). I am not for dumping Medicare (although I sure think we need to fix it), but I am also am not into adding insult to injury by putting the government in charge of more peoples' health care when it hasn't done a great job with what it does already.
- By corby
- Posted August 17, 2009 at 11:20 am
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Kennarina and Heart sisters!!
Talk about getting that old blood pumping. I agree there is a lot of money being spent by drug companies,medical supply etc to keep people from having a choice. As a retired educator I pay a hefty premium to stay on a group plan. It has risen almost 100.00 in two years time - what will it be in five years if this trend keeps going.? Something needs to be done. There are a few people making tons of money on the backs of those who are infirm and nearly destitute from paying medical bills. More people declare bankruptcy due to medical bills than any other reason. Instead of enjoying retirement I have to worry about paying my medical bills and have to keep working to make ends meet. Doesn't anyone have a concern for others anymore? We are so worried about our own pocket books we forget to look around us. Others countries like Canada and France put people first and money second. I am proud to be American but let's give everyone a fair shake. Chris
- By laurali
- Posted August 17, 2009 at 5:08 pm
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Chris -- thank you for adding some important words to this discussion. Every time I hear negative stuff about SS and Medicare, I always ask the person to explain to me what is so bad. No one ever wants to do that. I truly would like to understand their point of view. I think that the reason it's running out of money is because the population is aging and the taxes to replenish the system are not being raised accordingly. We can't have it both ways -- if we want government services, we need to pay taxes to support them. Every day it seems I fight with one private company and then another over billing mistakes, orders I've made that never arrive, sales people who tell me incorrect info., etc., etc. I don't understand how people can trust private companies so much. They have financial incentives to deny coverage, tests, etc. After reading this morning's paper, I'm really thinking that nothing is going to be changed. I wonder if, 5 years down the road, people will even remember how hard they fought against making reforms. Someone, or something, else will be blamed I'm sure. laurali
- By ceebee
- Posted August 18, 2009 at 10:25 am
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i agree that there is a good deal of waste in the federal government. it is not without blame, however, consider that private contractors also try to defraud tax payers (think halliburton) by charging ridiculous amounts of money for commonplace items. private physicians, hospitals and other contractors are no less culpable. as for the postal service, part of the problem can be tied to technology...many people are emailing and paying bills on line as opposed to using the mail service. if usps could raise rates like UPS and Fedex...it probably wouldn't be in as big of a financial rut as it is. do you think UPS would charge 44 cents to mail a letter? not likely. but we complain everytime postage goes up. where are those complaints when UPS ratchets up the cost of sending a package? the stimulus package wasn't big enough and what was approved isn't going out fast enough. We were on the verge of a DEPRESSION...and pretty much every major economist in this country agreed on that part of last year's downturn. What would the stimulus naysayers have us do? Nothing? that's where we stand with health insurance reform. People with their heads in the sand or who currently have insurance thru employers seem to think there's no problem and some would argue that people with pre-existing conditions are just SOL. If we do nothing...it's just a matter of a few years before we're all SOL.
- By ckspring
- Posted August 18, 2009 at 11:04 am
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Some private institutions and government officials and bureaucrats have engaged in fraud and greed. This is because people, not all with good intentions, are in charge of both. My point is that I am very happy with my health insurance. And I pay every dollar for it with no company subsidy -- I pay every penny of the premium, then I pay a maximum of $5500 per year out-of-pocket, which I hit every year around this time or earlier, and put money in an HSA to help cover medical expenses. I have great physicians. They make sure I get tests that I should have, regardless of cost or how long they think I might live. I don't want anyone messing with this. I am for providing health care to those who do not have it available to them, but not for providing it to people who have it available but choose not to enroll because they would rather spend their money on something else (unless that something else is bare necessities like food, shelter). By the way, my husband has a small business (around 25 employees) and he pays for 100% of coverage for all of his employees (but he is on my plan so it is not for his self interest), so businesses are not all "bad guys." Anyway, I do not want anyone throwing the baby out with the bath water. Add governmental services for those who need them, but leave my health insurance alone. Also, do not make governmental health insurance available to people who already have access to health insurance because if you do, it will drive our insurers out of business.
- By ceebee
- Posted August 18, 2009 at 4:03 pm
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I completely understand your position...and hopefully your premiums have stayed stable as long as you have had insurance. It seems your husband's business is recession proof and he's able to foot 100% of the insurance for his employees. It sounds like you are very fortunate to be able to afford that kind of coverage. That's fantastic and trust me I'm not being sarcastic. Insurance is not always available to people who CAN afford it. I trust you don't have a "pre-existing condition" and if you do... your plan hasn't yet booted you off or refused to pay for some procedure or medicine that was prescribed for you...or jacked your premiums up to the point that you have to make some dire financial decision.
I don't think anyone is going to mess with your insurance in the current rendition of health insurance reform. But if nothing is done...your options are going to get slimmer.
I used to have great physicians but I had to change because of the company I used to work for (laid off...now paying ridiculous COBRA rates) changed to an HMO only and my physicians didn't accept that plan. So I had to find other physicians who wanted to repeat tests I just had a few months prior. No electronic records to transfer... and you know how proprietary physicians can be. Is that waste?
COBRA is running out soon and I have a pre-existing condition ... so it's doubtful I'll be able to afford coverage if I'm able to convert. I'm looking for a fulltime job...but at my age... who'll hire me? I make a living doing consulting work...but I need insurance so I can get the medications to keep my heart running like it should. We have some hard choices coming our way soon.
I'm glad you have insurance that you like. I hope you get to keep it.
- By ckspring
- Posted August 18, 2009 at 4:37 pm
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I have numerous "pre-existing conditions," including SCA, MI, two stents, defibrillator, and since then, asthma and reflux. I am not on my husband's plan and either is he. He is on my plan and we personally pay 100% of family premiums (we still are covering our 22-year old daughter who is starting grad school) plus up to $5500 out-of-pocket each year on an HSA through the firm I am at. He offers single coverage to his employees (they can pay for family coverage) because he wants them to have it. Like other group insurance plans, my plan cannot "boot me off." As long as I pay the premiums, I am covered. My insurance paid everything they were supposed to when I had my SCA and MI and since then except they would no longer pay for me to be on Protonix for reflux (until I went through trying a bunch of other RX), so I switched to over-the-counter Zantac and that works just as well, if not better. I know you are saying that I won't lose any of this with national health care, but no one who is actually writing the legislation is saying that. In fact, what they are saying is that if an employer makes any changes to their coverage, all of the participants must go on national health care. They cannot make national health care work financially unless virtually everyone is on it. So they will do whatever they can to make sure that is what happens.
I am sorry for your situation and think the government should help those like you. I have no problem paying more taxes for that if I know that is what my tax money is going for. But until I see in black and white that health care reform will not adversely affect me and the vast majority of people like me who have health insurance they like, I cannot support it. I wish you all the best. (By the way, you have a right to your medical records. You can always go to your doctors and ask for copies and give them to another doctor.)
- By laurali
- Posted August 18, 2009 at 7:56 pm
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Hi Ladies -- just needed to chime in one more time. Does everyone understand that all these discussion right now are NOT about "legislation". The various packages and proposals are in committees in the House and in the Senate. As of last night, neither body has completed a full Bill and I don't think either body will vote on their individual Bills until all the folks return from the summer recess. Then....once the Senate and House finally pass their versions, these proposals will go to Conference Committee for discussion to try to reconcile the differences in the two approaches. Only after that is done, will there be another vote to pass and then.....it goes to the President to sign. I only share this, because so many people talk as though there is now a complete Bill, done deal, Law on the books, etc. and that just is very, very far from accurate as of today. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. laurali
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