A Zebra Among Horses- My MVD (now often CMD) journey to Emory U

A Zebra Among Horses

It has been almost a week since I had my appointment with Dr. Samady at Emory University in Atlanta, GA. A whirlwind trip. Flying in Tuesday by 4:30 and flying out at 9 PM Wednesday. My wonderful friend Debbie, who is a nurse, accompanied me on this adventure. The campus is immense and under construction. This posed a few hassles. All of which were worth the trip. Let's get to the meat and potatoes- the appointment.

We navigated from hotel to campus by bus and found the building. The very first thought as I walked into the waiting room? YEP- I'm a zebra! Not only is this disease like being a zebra among horses, I literally look as though I do not belong here. Scooter and wheelchair haven that day and of course most are of retirement age. I saw one other woman who was middle aged and I could have sworn I saw her out taking a drag on a cigarette before we came in! Here I stand looking like a zebra among horses. It is not that different in my local cardio's office, but the sheer volume of people in this large venue, made the percentage of them to me, even more noticeable!

I already knew this would be a good experience. After having to educate so many of the people in the healthcare field who were trying to help me, it was bound to be a relief to not to have to explain myself in such detail as to win them over! Dr. Samady has seen quite a few MVDers (now often referred to as CMD). He would not ask me to waste my breath. I could actually listen to more input instead of getting short of breath over my out put! I was excited and of course noticed as I waited, I was the only one popping nitro in this waiting room. "Wah-wuh, Wah-wuh, Wah-wuh." What's that you say? Haven't you ever heard a zebra? They do not "neigh." You know your gonna Youtube it now!

They trotted over to me and had me all set up right on time in a stall..err.. an exam room. Did the usual EKG, BP and pulse checks. All of which, were stellar of course! :) My diastolic was low, but it often is. An office nurse came in, took my patient packet and had a copy for me of my meds printed out so I can use it for other docs. Nice! Then I was left to my thoughts for a few minutes and started to look over my questions and points to cover. In no time, the white coated horse trainer came in!

We exchanged pleasantries and I made sure I said 'hello' from quite a few of his patients that I know. He was right down to business. He said he read over my pages but wanted to hear my story of how this began. He was astounded that my first cardio, in the end, argued with me that MVD/ CMD was not possible in the heart as wouldn't it be elsewhere? I gave him all of my specifics and we started to detail what I do and what works for me. He said, "You tell me what has been working. If you were to pick one thing to have to fight this?" Of course, what else? My BFF nitro! His eyes became saucers when I said I recently took 50 SLs over a 6-7 hour period. His eyes became even larger and shook his head when I said I monitored my BP and no, it did not move!

I explained, several times, I needed him to be a contact for my local cardio and myself, should we have issue with the next steps in treatment. If and when this worsens we need guidance. My local cardio wanted me to come to him. I was his only patient with MVD/CMD. His only zebra! Me telling about my symptoms sounded like that odd zebra sound among all that neighing and I bet it annoyed him he did not know what to do to quiet me. Quieting a zebra was not as easy as a horse. He would feel more comfortable treating me with all of this nitro, etc knowing what treatment is typical and what protocol to follow for the direct admit and IV nitro should I ever be unable to cease the angina.

Dr. Samady completely understood. He said, "There are many who believe this to be a benign condition. I have seen first hand, that is not the case." In response I agreed, "They do not even encourage going into the hospital as I am not likely to have a heart attack in their eyes. Then I would say, in response to them- No, I may not today, but I would love to keep all my myocytes please! I want to AVOID future heart attacks!" He smiled, "That is what we want to do." He saw me for the zebra I was and did not mind I sounded much stranger than the usual horse. He has heard these crazy sounds before!

We went over some possible CCBs that do not have sulfites in them (an allergy of mine). He also noted I did not have a catheterization. Well, I had a Cardiac PET scan and a Cardiac MRI. The absence of a cath did not worry him. Something else would have shown up by now. He was not shocked all my tests were mostly benign. Then he was thoughtful. He told me there is the non-invasive CPET or MET-Test you can have done. It is a cardiopulmonary exercise test. They use it in heart failure patients for assessment and if you have the right doc to read for MVD, it can be very beneficial for 'evidence.' It is paralleled to others who did have cath AND CPET to show microvascular ischemia and how it relates to exertion. The test uses a mask while you exercise to measure output. This can show how efficient or inefficient your cardiopulmonary system is operating and whether there is an ischemic burden during exercise. I have details about this on the Coronary Microvascular Disease page. (Look for MET-TEST picture.)

Before I left the exam room, we had gone over many things. Dr. Samady asked a lot of questions about my individual presentation. It still amazes him our stories are all so similar. It often seems to come out of the blue and like me, others have been otherwise healthy. He explained they do not know enough about it. They do not know what kills and does not kill cells. They can not see this action. We must stay ahead of the angina and live in a way that manages our symptoms. The spasms and other symptoms can be difficult to control. It is a changing model. Not easy to treat as we need to be aware and adjust to keep on the right track of what works. He also discussed nitro tolerance but that quite a few use the patches even through the night because they must to keep it under control. I confessed when I have forgotten to take off patches those are the mornings I feel the least constricted upon waking. Usually I am barely awake and ...there's Beastie.

Before I left the campus hours later, I already had a connection to a CPET facility closer to me in PA. The next morning, that facility called me to make an appointment! All set up including script and insurance worked out. How very efficient! I said, "You must like zebras." Silence on the other end. :)

We joke about the zebra comparison on other sites. It's ironic no? To us it feels like we should stick way out of this horse crowd of typical coronary artery disease, yet the evidence hides and is not not easy to see. I think a lot of docs figure, I don't train zebras!! Well, we are physiologically the same. We present differently and what we take may be more than they are used to. Why should this surprise them? We are different. Treat the zebras too!

Edited November 12, 2012 at 9:25 am

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excellent story and analogy. i had to chuckle over "wah - wuh ". did you ever see the movie "racing stripes? "that could go into your analog too. yeh...that was when i learned how zebras yell....
so good you found a niche....YESSSS!

Glad the trip went well, although know you are probably still past exhausted. From another one of Dr. S's Zebra's. And yes the construction is a hurdle , hopefully they will move along with it . I had CPET...and it DID show my ischemia..whereas a cardio MRI was completely normal..and coded during my cath with Dr. S in July. No this is not benign, it is very REAL.

Kim

Lol loved Racing Stripes movie! :)

Kim- how are you doing?? He knows we are all in communication. He knows we are all trying to deal with this and our own struggles. He really seems to be trying to understand this. Have been wondering bout you! Must drop you an email. Hoping you are feeling even a bit more recouped! :) thinking of you.

Hi Annette, Glad that your visit to Emory went well and that you were validated by an expert. Feels good when you go to a doctor that finally gets it. I like his question to you about what drug can you not live without. I did the EECP therapy this summer to ensure that my favorite drug Ranexa would still be able to do the trick for me. As you know, we don't have a tremendous number of options. The cardiopulmonary test was an excellent suggestion on his part with him being clear that a knowledgeable person needs to interpret the results. I had this test done last yr. at the suggestion of my local lung doctor but was very displeased with the doctor that administered and interpreted the test (not my doctor). During the test, the nurse was upset about what she was seeing and told me that I needed to question certain aspects of the test. Asked the doctor and he "wasn't concerned". Didn't press the issue because I was going to my NY cardio who is also an expert in pulmonary hypertension. I gave him the results and he basically said that the results were crap and didn't tell him anything (how did I know that?) . Anyway, best of luck in your testing and I'm happy that you journeyed to Emory. Be well. Patty

Good point! I am going to be sure the test will be read by someone who knows how to read for microvascular ischemia. The doc who helped set this up was one of the docs who was in charge of the qualifying research published by the NIH and using it for microvascular diagnosis. I have his email and will ask if he is confident in this cardiology group and their abilities!!! I no longer expect so little! We should all expect the right to a knowledgeable read for the business we give them!

Dear Arista,

I am blown away at your ability to put into words what is going on with you. I get so mad at myself because when it comes to explaining myself and what my symptoms are and what has been going on with me I have like test anxiety and go blank.

Anyway, I rejoice with you with your recent trip...I am sure it was exhausting but well worth the effort! Thank you for sharing your experience as it gives me hope that I can get to the bottom of this and regain the "feeling" that I am in control of my life again.

I am an assistant manager in a retail store and have had to take a leave of absense. This is coming up on our busiest time of year and I am of no good to the store. I am not sure that I will even be able to go back to work...very strange turn of events.

I will probably have questions/comments for you as I continue to get info and digest it. Thank you for opening yourself and this community up to me!

Friends in Heart ;)
Barb

Annette, You're in good hands with the doctor doing your test. Hope you get additional answers. Patty

You are not kidding! He IS the one reading my test, conferring with Dr. Samady and helping put heads together to tweak anything in my treatment. I could even continue to go to that group of cardiologists but i would rather just keep on communicating with my local one. He is the one i will rely on when things go south!

Upon hearing my passion for getting the word out about this, he invited me to a talk he will give in early November to prominent cardiologists. Wants to use my case point by point. Hopefully more to learn. Should be very interesting! I am kinda excited! To be in a room of cardios.... I want to watch their faces as this discussion goes on.

Barb- this is so frustrating. We all know how it affects every little thing and can be tough for others to grasp how much it affects. I mean, one day not so bad...next day I have to choose to wash my hair or run kids to something! UGH. Exertion is everything from emotions to simple housework, let alone regular work. I hope you can get some stable time to grasp this. It is unfortunately something we can only live and learn. : /

You are not alone. <3

Annette, When and where is the talk being given? Is it open to the public? Thanks. Patty

Annette,
I love your way with words and just love your analogy of the Zebra among the horses. It is exactly how I feel - about almost all the things in my life. We are too young for this.
Loving thoughts and wishes to you today.
May God bless you Annette

It is in Yardley PA, which is just outside of Philly along the river. It's at an Inn, with meeting space. I think it is invitation only but could see since you are close if you could attend?

Hi, Go to Phila. often to gastric doctors so Yardley is no big deal. Would love to sit in if able. My only bad day is Nov. 8th, doctors in NY appointments which can't be changed. pagallup4@hotmail.com

Dr. Samady has published many papers. Does he have any publications that would be helpful for the rest of us to share with our cardiologists? Will someone video his next presentation so we can share it with our local caregivers? I've finally found a cardiology group that will work with me, but ran into an uninformed ER doc at the local heart hospital after my doctor sent me to the ER from her office. I would love to know what others reference so I can make copies of an information packet to carry with me. I'm also so happy you have found more hope and help! Jana

You will find a few links to papers in my discussion at

http://www.inspire.com/groups/womenheart/discussion/cas-and-mvd-compendium- what-do-you-think/

I would be interested to see anything more about Dr Samady as well. I have included a link to JoaninCarolina's story in the compendium and I think that will lead you to a youtube video which features both Dr Samady and Joan.

Hope this helps.

Thank you!

Sweet Artista you are one amazing human being! Eager to share your events with us!! W e are really blesse d on this site to have such an artistic person that post the way you do to MVDers. BTW I had my cardio appt today and because of many women on this site I had a lot of courage, and asked a lot of question as well as made suggestions to him about wich drugs and so on what surprised me is how open and understanding he was AND how knowledgeable he was this is my third time seeing him since February, I was floored at how nice he was and patient !that, was NOT there the previous appts, my guess is he researched it some more and understands more, it feels like he cared this time I also have the feeling the word is out on MVD disease , he also explained to me the PA and said they do tie in together, and he thinks I could possibly have it as well, as the new symptoms that come on in the eve @ rest and night time, he also is letting me manage and work my own meds to find the happy place, all in all I was very relieved and pleased with my visit with him today!! I'LL TAKE IT, I left his office feeling well taken care of :D

Ps,
I just watched racing stripes cute movie ! Enjoyed it!!
Love and healing your way

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