A-fib and CoQ10

Just checking in with folks who have a-fib. Do you take CoQ10 and does it seem to help quell the episodes? I have been on it for one year and I do think it has helped. I take 100mg. morning; 100 mg. evening for a total of 200 mg. per day of Ubiquinone type CoQ10 that I purchase at Trader Joe's.

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Just stopped to say Hi! I'm really glad to see you again - I'm sorry you're having trouble still with the A-fib. I haven't been able to take the CoQ10 so I dont know if it works to help it or not.
I'm using the 'coughing trick' so much sometimes my throat gets sore but it often does stop one progressing. I keep a pkt of those chalky type indigestion tablets... brian fog! I cant remember the name?.... Rennies!!... because I'm sure indigestion sometimes sets mine off, they seem to help.
Carol x

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Hi Carol. Great hearing from you! Sorry we lost touch there. I hope you're well. I go pretty long periods (weeks) with no problem and then bang! I go into an episode and usually there comes a rash of them and then I get a reprieve for several weeks again. I keep hoping that they will just miraculously go away and never return. However, my EP says once you get A-fib, you've got it for life. I prefer to hope that I'll be the exception. I'm wondering if indigestion doesn't kick mine in too. I was experiencing some of that this past week and had to buy Tums for the first time in years! Let me hear from you when you feel like it. Meanwhile, thanks for the note.

Take care!
Fanny

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Interesting.. I take coQ10 and I have runs "long runs" of pvc. I don't know what afib is more then my daughter had it when she was p.g. It has subsided since delivery though. The coq helps with so many things as long as we are taking a quality coq10. I don't know it you take magnesium as well but you should try as my doc said that co10 and mag is good to take for any type of irregular heart rhythms. I have been getting light headed lately on the on set of pvc attack. I get dizzy as well and it scares me. I need to go into the cardio doc and voice this concern to see if my LBBB has gotten worse. Ok carry on, just wanted to put my 2 cents in. :)

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Does anyone know what the recommended dose is? I take 200 mg a day of CoQ-10. Thanks.

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Thanks, Dootles, for your reply. I had my magnesium levels checked (bloodwork) when I first got diagnosed with a-fib...normal results. But I do have 400 mg. tabs of magnesium that my EP suggested I take during a-fib attacks to see if that would help.

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I also take 200 mg. a day of CoQ10. I hear of people taking 300 mg. but when trying to decide how much to take, my research led me to the 200 mg. a day.

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Yes 200 a day for healthy people, but its recommended 300 per day with heart issues. However, I stick to 200 of good quality coq10 and I do notice a difference in my pvc and my energy is better to. especially if I am eating right, drinking lots of good water and staying away from any sugar. Today I had sugar and wow my pvcs are kickin!! :P

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Thanks for the information. I have another question...How do you know if the CoQ-10 is good quality? I also take statins and wonder if the dose of CoQ-10 should be higher for those of us who already have had a MI (I've had 2 SCADs with an MI each time) plus have been diagnosed with cardiomyopathy and a low EF.

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Thanks for the info on the 200 vs 300 mg. of CoQ10. Perhaps I'll throw in another one to make 300 mg. a day. I had an MI 15 years ago followed by a triple by-pass 9 years later followed by a cerebellar stroke 2 years after. The a-fib diagnosis came a year ago but the EP feels I probably had a-fib for a long time before so I'm on warfarin and will be for life.

Good question about how to know if CoQ10 is "good" quality. There is some belief that Ubiqinol form is better than Ubiqinone form and its more expensive. But expensive isn't always the indicator of quality. At a Pharmaca store I was told that Ubiquinone makes ubiquinol in the body and that it's a selling ploy to say that buying ubiquinol is better. Any ideas on this anybody?

Thank you!
P.S. Dootles, makes perfect sense why your pvcs would kick in after eating sugar! I've noticed same...and noticed getting too stressed or tired can also affect.

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Hello SantaFeNewMexico... I'm from New Mexico myself, currently in Seattle, though. Anyway, I too have atrial fibrillation, much to my chagrin and disgust. I am taking 80 mg of Sotolol, a beta blocker, and can't seem to get off it because every time I try, the AFib comes back in spades. I was taking Coumadin but decided to go the natural route (vita-E, cranberry, aspirin, gingko, garlic...). I am hoping my blood is thin enough but can't find anyone to help me with this so am doing lots of research on my own. On the Sotolol, I do get intermittent breakthrough AFib just like you. I'll go a week or more with no problems at all, then a couple days of AFib on and off, then more clear periods again. Every time I am clear, I think maybe it's over for good... then of course it comes back. I have had 2 cardioversions and 1 cryoablation, and none of them worked. My doc is all chipper at all times, insisting that the next procedure will surely take care of things for good. (I'm starting to hate him for this, because it doesn't happen!!) Anyway, I'll have another ablation, a hot one, probably in June.

Even on the Sotolol, I have the AFib UNLESS I take magnesium and Co-Q-10's. I, too, take the Trader Joe's Ubiquinol (Ubiquinone?)... anyway, the higher-priced one. Better safer than sorrier, I thought. I was taking 300 mg/day, then just recently went down to 200 mg/day to save a bit of $$ but think I'll go back to the 300. But by far, the most helpful thing has been the magnesium!! I take 3 250-mg softgels q day, occasionally 4. If I don't take the magnesium, the AFib is much worse. I've just started following Steven Sinatra, a web MD who specializes in cardiology. Actually, I got his name on this "Women Heart" forum! I'm cut-n-pasting the following from a recent article of his:

" For patients who go "in and out" of atrial fibrillation, they can see a greatly improved quality of life by taking my Awesome Foursome plus 1–2 grams of fish oil daily. Daily doses for a-fib are:

CoQ10: 100–200 mg
L-carnitine: 1–3 grams of a broad-spectrum combination
Magnesium: 200 mg once or twice , of a broad-spectrum combination
D-ribose: 5 grams 2–3 times a day
Together, these will provide the raw materials your heart needs to keep itself in regular rhythm."

Of course you can get any info on the web, much of it inconsistent or even conflicting, but I'm going to add some L-Carnitine and D-oxy-ribose and see if those help. My goal is to get past that horrible AFib so I can go off the Sotolol, which makes me very tired and the muscles weak. I'm a very avid skier, so that is horrible for me.

PS... Dr. Sinatra insists that the Carnitine is NOT harmful and in fact helpful for AFib, despite the recent study results identifying the TMAO factor in red meat which is linked to Carnitine.... Anyway, you might want to check it out. One way or another, the Co-Q-10, the fish oil, and ESPECIALLY the magnesium should be at the top of your list.

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Cindy.. Thanks sooo much for the information. Dr Sinatra is suppose to be the best of the elite so I am going to add the carnatine as well. I think I will find the book and get all the info in writing in front of me so I can constantly go back to it. I love when people get on here and add some true help and for that I am greatful to you.

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Hi Ladies. Just a query, have u noticed more problems when yr hormones are on the move? I noticed I seem to have more problems at those times. Jul x

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A BIG YES TO HORMOMES AND HEART ISSUES!!!!! YES YES YES YES!!!!!

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Does everyone's cardiologist tell them they will be on bloodthinner for the rest of their life if they have AF? First we were told "no" and then a few months later we were told "yes." Dr. said new research says it's best to stay on it to prevent strokes. After a few months of being on it, my husband developed macular degeneration. The first thing the opthamologist asked, was he on Coumadin? Cardiologist didn't think there was a connection but one must wonder.

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My cardiologist referred me to an electrophysiologist who has scheduled a cardiac ablation and pulmonary vein isolation. This hopefully will stop the a-fib so I can go off anticoagulant. Has anyone else been advised to pursue this avenue?

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I thank you too, Cindy, for all the good information. I bought magnesium this morning and will start taking a 250 mg. tab ev. morning. I'm sorry you have a-fib. I'm sorry any of us do. It really is unsettling and the idea of being on anti-coagulant therapy for life is also unsettling. I was told by my EP that I would be on it for life. Of course I had a stroke so it seems a no-brainer for me. The idea of anything being for life creates a big sigh, but there are lots of things we have to do for life, so...

I don't know about any correlation between anti-coags and macular degeneration. I did google same and did not see that anti-coags were considered the cause, but perhaps would not be helpful to someone with MD. I'd have to dig in alot deeper to have any other opinion...and I'll ask my EP next time I see him. He is considered one of the top EP's in America, lucky for me...and he's a great guy, very accessible and very kind on top of it. He taught in a top medical school and has 40 yrs. experience.

My EP told me that the likelihood of my AF "going away" was next to nil. I choose to think of it always being a possibility (that it stops on its own) but should it not, I will deal with it like I do now...that is, to go on with my life and do my best to adjust to this new "normal." I so much appreciate all the comments here on this site and hope to see more. THANK YOU ALL!

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Hi there. Please refer to my post to Cindy regarding your question.

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Hi everyone.....been a long haul for me with afib...had an ablation..no luck...all the meds...no luck either...so then ep cardio doc put in a pacemaker so she could increase drugs...still no luck...finally had an av node ablation...which does t get rid of the afib but makes it so I do t feel it. I will be on warfarin all my life...but that's ok....I have gotten my life back....I am able to live again....and there is no longer fear when my head hits the pillow at night . I'm saying all this to tell you all to keep trying everything you can to feel better. Afib is a horrible thing to live with....and some are against the av node ablation...for me...it meant life and living again! I am not afraid of being pacer defendant....because I know who holds tomorrow ....and HE will take us no second sooner than HE wants us!
So never give up! Pam

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With ubiquinone, 400 mg is pretty much the minimum. The reason is variations in bioavailability ( extent to which your body can convert the ubiquinone to ubiquinol; some people's bodies don't convert very well). Better to take 100 mg ubiquinol since it is now available.

I started taking 1200 mg of ubiquinone back in 2010 because I was suddenly having weird arrhythmias as a result of statin rebound; the arrhythmias spaced themselves out and ended within six months. I've had none since. Don't know whether or not it was the Q10 that stopped the crazy heartbeats because I had no clone of me to have the arrhythmias without the Q10 to see if the arrhythmias stopped on their own (lol) but since CoQ10 improves the cardiac endothelium, I would not be surprised. And since now ubiquinol is available and my statin damage is probably as much repaired as it ever will be, I now take 200mg of ubiquinol -100w mg with breakfast and 100 with dinner (important to take with food because CoQ10 is fat soluble, not water soluble).

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Hi Santa Fe... Thanks for your reply! I'm sorry, too, that you, I or anyone else has this horrible AFib. And I'm REALLY sorry that your doctor told you you'd have it for life no matter what. I've heard of many cases where that was in fact the case... but I've heard of just as many situations where the person got rid of the AFib -- usually with the help of procedures like abalation &/or cardioversion (though the latter rarely seems to work forever.) It also seems very common for the ÅFib to be gone, then return a few years later when the person is undergoing stress, drinks too much at a party, etc etc.... Of course MY doc is just the opposite, and he's a very well-respected specialist at a prestigious major hosp here in Seattle. He says, e.g., that "a second ablation has been proven to "cure" AFib in 80% of all cases..." Well, I sure want to believe that! But I've also read countless times that 2 factors are paramount in the Afib really being "cured," and they are (1) age of the person, and (2) how long you had AFib before it was Dx'ed. In my case, I'm 65 (but you'd guess me to be 45, truly), and I did have AFib off and on for about 10 years before I ever found out what it was! My dr does know these things too, of course. Still, I must be prepared for failure...

Another thing that I read over and over on various sites is that PROTEIN is a big factor in all this. Protein is supposed to help combat the AFib, but of course it shouldn't be from red meat. The best form of protein is supposed to be WHEY, and so I mix a big scoop of whey in some Kefir, add ground flax seeds and/or walnuts (omega 3's, another excellent A-fib fighter), and drink that every day. That's absolutely excellent for general good health anyway. I also eat lots of berries, spinach/greens, coconut oil and canned salmon... basically a Mediterranean-type, anti-inflammatory diet which, if nothing else, will keep anyone a lot healthier and stronger and will definitely help undo the damage that those darn beta blockers and/or blood thinners will wreak on the body!

I know you will see a good result from the magnesium. Really, it's the MOST IMPORTANT supplement you can take to support heart rhythm (just Google it!). But magnesium (e.g. milk of mag...) has laxative action, and you may find yourself running back & forth to the bathroom. Don't despair, just take about 2 heaping T's of shredded coconut (unsweetened is fine) every day and that takes the diarrhea away. I just stick it into my smoothie! You can read all about it on the Peoples' Pharmacy, an invaluable website for general good health and natural approaches. Lastly, I'm sure you must know about this website, but just in case you don't: "Stop AFib.com" is a treasure-trove of info specifically about AFib. You should sign up! If you haven't already.

Well, I'm off to Whistler Mt. to ski and am all excited. Best to you..... Cindy Black in Seattle

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