A high creatinine & gadolinium

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My right kidney had to be fully removed by the time its VHL tumors were discovered. Two surgeries to remove VHL tumors from my left kidney took it down to about 70% of full size, but all of that has still been fully functional and not diseased. Since then, it's grown back to about 75% of full size.

I assume that extra 5% is also fully functional, because my average creatinine level has dropped over that same period from 2.0 or higher to staying kind of stable at 1.9 to 1.7.

I've never required dialysis.

Since that first surgery to remove my right kidney in Dec. 1995, no one told me until about a year ago that the gadolinium contrast dye that's been used during all my MRI's is considered unsafe for the kidneys when one's creatinine is beyond a certain level.

It was the radiologist who was giving me an MRI at the time who had told me. My creatinine level at the time might have been 1.9, but I think it was 1.7. In any case, he said that I was right at the line and he didn't like giving it to me but he did anyway since I've been getting gado almost every six months since 1995, and my doc's MRI order had requested it.

When I mentioned that I've never felt any strange reactions to it, he said that the problem is that it can be cumulative. And when I mentioned CT scans as an option, he said the contrast with that was even less safe.

Not only have I been getting gado with my MRI's during every six-month checkup, but I've been getting it TWICE during each checkup. On one day I'll get gado during a combination of an abdominal MRI and a brain (with IACs) MRI. After letting that dye flush out over night, the next day I'll get it again during a full spinal MRI.

I don't know if the radiologist's sudden concern is due to a change in the version of gado, or a new policy for its use, or just stronger enforcement or concern for a policy that already existed.

On reflection since then, it wouldn't surprise me if that policy was mainly made because of the sensitivity of DISEASED kidneys to gado. I doubt very many other patients with high creatinine levels who get MRI's there (or anywhere) have a fully healthy kidney (though a partial one) that is NOT diseased.

At least I've been able to convince my doctors that I only need each type of MRI once a year rather than every six months. That will cut the gado use in half.

But I was thinking of dropping gado completely until any tumor that happened to be present had reached "surgery" size or symptoms appeared. The reason I've been considering that is because all of the needles that have been put into me have created many spots of scar tissue that are often causing needles to miss. This has been a real problem especially with IV needles (such as gado requires) for years. One person took five tries to insert the IV for gado (and almost always it takes at least 2 tries). And I hate to leave it in overnight for the next day's MRI, but it does mean one less insertion attempt.

So I have two questions:

(1) Should I be concerned about gado possibly being unsafe, given my creatinine & partial-kidney condition?

(2) Would a yearly MRI of each type withOUT gado be good enough to at least find & monitor a tumor? So that I could hold off on getting gado (and the needles) until tumor size or symptoms indicated that surgery time was near?

Phew! I do tend to get winded when I make a post. LOL

Nelson

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Correction on that gadolinium "cut-off point".

I just talked to an MRI tech today. He said that the definite cut-off point is a creatinine level of 2.4 (not the 1.7-1.9 that I had stated above).

He also told me that they've been giving me only HALF of the normal dose for several years now, since I have only part of one kidney. But still, they're leary about it even with my now-usual level of 1.7 to 1.9. In fact, starting on my visit this coming October, they're going to hold off on the second gado MRI until three days after the first gado MRI. So I'll be there for a minimum of four days no matter what.

Nelson

Hi, Nelson. The concerns about gadolinium have only surfaced in the last couple of years. We have done a few articles about it in the newsletter, and Dr. Cohan spoke at our conference in Boston last year.

See
http://www.vhl.org/newsletter/vhl2007/07bfnsf.php
http://www.vhl.org/newsletter/vhl2007/07cbboston.php

Before this came up, we were all using gadolinium to get the best contrast in the MRI pictures. Then about two years ago a few reports began to emerge about NSF globally. At this point, they are finding that a couple of the brands are more problematic than others, and the effects likely cumulate in the body, so best to pee it all out as soon as possible.

For people with compromised kidney function, there is greater concern because the rate at which you can pee it all out is longer than for most folks. The people for whom there is greatest concern are those on dialysis or nearly so.

Everyone worldwide (VHL or not) is grappling with this new problem. Hopefully they will soon find a safer dye to use. Dr. Cohan finds that sometimes using water or milk as a contrast medium will do what is necessary, and those are much safer to process through your body. But he also says that since he (University of Michigan, chief of abdominal radiology) and a colleague in Denmark have changed brands, they have not had any problems.

Talk with your radiologist about this, as they need to help make the call -- both about the risks, and about the clarity of the pictures.

And yes, it has been known for a long time that the CT contrast is "nephrotoxic" -- toxic to the kidney -- so it can actually diminish kidney function. They also use that sparingly for us.

Best wishes,
Joyce

Ugh! I feel myself entering one of my "turn it off for now" stages. It can last for only a few days, but more often it lasts for a few to several months.

It's no fault of yours though, Joyce. You're such a hard worker! And you can be so thorough on top of it. If you were in front of me now, I'd give you a loving hug.

But I've just spent most of 2 days analyzing what I need during my next checkup and then arranging those appointments. That alone has burnt me out, & 2 of the appointments are not yet set because they need a consult reference first.

And now it seems I really should arrange an appointment with a urologist to talk about all this complexity that's been added because of the gado problems, plus try to make an appointment with some neurologist somewhere. I had one arranged during a previous checkup, but when I showed up the VA neurology department didn't have any neurologist because he had just transferred to somewhere else, and all I talked to was a resident who couldn't tell me anything except that HE had thought that surgery on my spinal tumor was impossible. LOL

And after reading that article about NSF at your one link, I feel like I should at least call the MRI tech again to see if the gado they use on me is at least ProHance instead of one of the less acceptable ones.

I think for now I'm just going to go with what I've arranged for my Oct. checkup, IV needles & all. And while I'm there & discuss the other concerns with my doctors, maybe I can arrange through them the addition of neurology and urology clinic appointments (which no doubt also need a consult anyway) for when I return during my April checkup.

By the way, your second link referred to an article that was in the Sept. 2007 issue that I had received. Though it mentions (only briefly) about the possible gado problems, I hadn't paid it much concern since I figured my "team" was on top of it.

But the article about NSF in that first link was not in my mailed copy of the Sept. 2007 issue. THAT'S the article that really made me think more about the gado issue. It seems that there can be a difference between the mailed and online versions of a newsletter issue.

My isp has disconnected 4 times since I first read your reply. I better send this before a reconnection fails.

Nelson

The newsletter comes out four times a year. We can put things up on the website between issues, and we can often write more online than will fit in the newsletter. Usually when that happens there's at least a link in the print copy.

You're doing great! I know it's hard keeping up with all these appointments. It can feel like a full-time job sometimes! Just make a notebook to keep track, and keep up the good work!

Best wishes,
Joyce

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