LET Medical treament

• By Learning1
• Posted October 22, 2009 at 9:37 pm
• Report post

Anthony,

No response yet to your post, so I'll give a quick rundown of the limited info available. More details were posted on an earlier discussion on LLLT started by Tiger. I haven't heard of a lot of research in North America. I understand that some of the doctors in Russia have used Scenar and Cosmodic (cosmodic is what the LET Medical units are called) for treating SCI situations, and I know of one therapist in Colorado who has used scenar and cosmodic for beginning to work with SCI. And there was a therapist in England who was using it with SCI, but I have not been able to track him down to get more information.

The problem is that there are no published results that I know of for longer term SCI injuries, other than one study done in England in about 2002, where 97.4 type scenar was used (a 1990 vintage technology scenar), apparenlty with some success, in combination with physio (apparently similar to use of TENS or muscle stimulation, but with deeper stimulation and apparently somewhat better results). The study results I read did not indicate the degree of injury for those in the study, but the impression I got (reading between the lines) was that the SCI's involved were ones where they hoped physio might be of some benefit, so I suspect that either it was a partial injury (not complete) or a lower injury (paraplegia).

Antedotally I know of an exercise physiologist in Colorado who worked with one SCI (about C4 area, complete, if I remember correctly), where the person apparently started getting a bit more sensation within a month or so, using a slightly more advanced scenar, but then ran out of money and was not able to continue treatment. The same therapist is convinced that the most advanced version of of the cosomodic would bring faster and more results, based on other injuries he has worked on, but hasn't had a chance since then to try.

The implication from the RITM articles on the RITM web sites is that there has been some progress made with SCI using normal scenar, though the sooner after the injury the better and faster the results. They don't have any detailed studies, or detailed reports of results from therapists, etc, on their web page.

Part of the lack of published results, even in Russia, is apparently that, even over there, they need to be careful to have everything properly documented, from the right people, and manufacturers and distributors can't make second generation claims.

There is one report, published on the LET Medical site, reported by the treating doctor in Russia, where someone had a significant neck fracture which was treated with a VX734 (a blend between cosmodic and scenar - the best LET medical had out until 4 years ago), where symptons immediately looked like there should be a lot of paralysis, if not full paralysis, but with the immediate acute treatment for several hours the person suffered no paralysis at all - later x-rays confirmed the original diagnosis by the doctor, who initially treated the person at his office (he was taken to the doctor's office before ultimately going to the hospital).

Like I mentioned to you in the PM, I have a friend with a SCI who is now trying a little 705 mini from LET Medical. That is the only pure cosmodic unit I have. He has a lower back injury, T9-10 complete, and has had it for 17 years. After about 3 months of very regular use of a little 808 nm laser with a combined power of 200 mw (a Vetrolaser), he's able to sit better outside his chair, doesn't slide down in his chair like he used to, and can feel a bit lower down his back than he previously could, and he thinks he's beginning to feel his toes just a bit (something he hasn't been able to do for 17 years). The flip side of that is that, in the process, his muscle spasms have apparenly increased a bit, but he's happy to put up with those. He took a break of a week or so from the laser, and is now trying the little cosmodic on his back and a number of other spots, and will also be trying a more aggressive regular scenar (a little RITM home scenar) working on his muscle spasms and atrophied muscles.

Back in March and April this year I posted some questions, and the information I knew at the time about SCI, on the Forum on the LET Medical site. The link is: http://www.scenar-therapy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6103.

The question was based on a 2005 question, and an answer by Dr. Karasev, on their FAQ page. Here is the original question, and the answer:

Q: Have the Professional 735v5 units (or any other type of devices that have been developed or under development) ever been used to treat spinal injuries with complete or partial paralysis? Have you had any success in restoring complete or partial mobility in patients who had spinal chord injuries resulting in complete or partial paralysis?

A: Such disorders can be successfully treated with our devices, but require complex application using three models: one model will heal the bedsores and normalize the intestine work and other organs and systems functioning; another model will provide regeneration of the damaged nerve fibres; and the third model is meant specially for restoration of atrophied muscles. Such method can also be used for elimination of conditions after unsuccessful surgery. One more thing – such treatment requires long time, about one year.

I eventually received a cautious response from Dr. Karasev's assistant indicating that yes, they still feel their devices can help with SCI. The response went on to say that their devices have gone beyond the VX735, and that the newest and most aggressive advanced unit, their EX735 modific, should help more than the VX735. But that for atrophy, etc, a more aggressive unit like their VX735 might also be needed. Apparently overcoming muscle atrophy requires a stronger signal than the fine tuning that the EX735 does.

The 705 (for all versions, including even the 705mini) is more advanced than the VX735, since it is a pure cosmodic signal. It sounds like it probably runs the same chip as the 715 (though I have't heard this for sure for all of the 705's), just without the objective mode and read-outs, and some of the extra features available. The EX735 apparenlty has a better listening ability than the 715, and a more aggressive cosmodic signal (and the modific has a more aggressive signal yet), as well as being dual mode (not blended like the VX735, but two separate modes that it can switch between - both scenar and cosmodic).

Any one of these would produce a genuine cosmodic signal - the difference is simply the strength of the signal. At least one of the studies indicated that the benefit of some of the technologies was that they sent a stronger signal, and that seemed to help encourage neuron growth more, so I can see the logic behind the suggestion for going for the cosmodic unit with the strongest signal (if someone can afford it). But if costs are a factor, like with almost all with SCI, it may be necessary to stick with a basic cosmodic unit like the 705 mini, or PS705. And then stick with a very basic scenar for muscle spasms, let atrophy, etc (this is what my friend is trying).

Hope this helps.

• Reply

• By Echairsitter
• Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:25 am
• Report post

Thanks, Learning1

The laser that you suggested, I am using make my breath cleaner/ clear all the way down down the longer I use it (over 30 minutes). Similar to that of going to the forest and taking a deep breath and feeling it go deep in your lung. At first I did not see any change, but when I continue to push myself to work/exercise then I begin to see something different. The pictures is me standing on my wheel chair and hold up by the frame locking my nee and hip in place. The different is that the after the laser, my left rib that always collape and crush my stomach does not crush my stomach after the same standing exercise I normally do.

I do believe that the device can do something to the body, because Radar, Cell phone and cellular towel, Large power station/towel, and microwave cause damages/changes to the human body. The good or bad that's a different story. It would be bad to sell hurting machine instead of selling healing machines.

I have emailed the Let Med of my interest to get a unit but have not gotten any email back after 2 weeks now.

Anthony

• Reply

• By Learning1
• Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:07 pm
• Report post

Anthony,

LET Medical is the manufacturer. They are really not set-up for distribution to individuals, and you'll see that if you hear from them. They always charge full list price (to not compete with their distributors). The only type of payment they accept is bank money transfer, which is expensive going from North America to Russia, and they always charge shipping, and only ship to North America by UPS (cost is $160 US plus any duty charged on import).

You are often better to buy through a distributor. There are several LET Medical distributors around. The biggest one is Dr. Irina Kossovoskaia (www.ex735.com and http://21centurymedicinechest.com/). Their pricing is probably $700 to $1000 higher than other distributors, but they include training and support that the others don't. Then there is www.tomatex.com, normally a RITM distributor (I understand they are out of Florida), but they also handle the upper end LET Medical devices - they just don't advertise - you need to email them and ask (they have better pricing than Dr. Irina, but no training included). There is also the distributor out of England, Vivienne Constad (http://www.vivienneconstad.com - email her for current pricing), and a couple LET Medical distributors from the Ukraine. Probably the least expensive is one of the Ukranian distributors (http://exclusiv-store.com/), and depending on what pricing they are able to get from LET Medical at the time, they may be able to discount somewhat (depending on unit and timing, I understand they have sometimes discounted between 3% and 10%) - it never hurts to email them and ask - and they reply promptly. Click on Cosmodic for the full list of devices they handle They include free shipping, and accept payment by PayPal, and may take some credit card payments.

• Reply

Add to the discussion