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Hi,
Has anyone tried OsteoDenx? Website says:
Active ingredient R-Elf
Has natural milk proteins, bionuclease, and lactoferrin which promot formation of new capillaries and bone formation. Test results were recently published in osteoporosis Internation, an official publication of the International Osteoporosis Foundation and the naritional Osteoporosis Foundation of US.
Sharon
Cancer Arthritis Boniva Forteo Nexium Fractures Pancreatic cancer Fosamax Reclast Actonel Pain Osteoporosis Folic acid
Dear thebonz,
Ron gave the websites
http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/19172341/full_citation/Mi lk_ribonuclease_enriched_lactoferrin_induces_positive_effects_on_bone_turno ver_markers_in_postmenopausal_women_
http://www.nterminus.com/html/osteoRep.html
I guess I'd try this before Reclast. My density scores worsen each time also but I attribute that to age which is normal. At 61, I haven't had fractures yet. You must be having osteoporosis symptoms that are more severe than myself.
S
Dear Global Wellness, I would appreciate your sending me the research papers on OsteoDex from the Osteoporosis International Journal. I am desperate to find some help after being on Actonel for 6 years with steadily worsening bone density scores. My doctor has recommended I get the Reclast injection but after having read all the posts on the bad side effects I am very scared. I would like to find something that might help without harming me. Thank you please send to amenbon@aol.com
Vinnysmom,
Ron gave you an excellent website for this info
http://www.nterminus.com/html/osteoRep.html
Would you please send me research papers that I could take to my Doctor? cpa89@att.net Thanks!
I would like a little more technical explanation of how Osteodenx works and how it works with Joint CM - also which over the counter calcium brand works best? (I would prefer not to buy the calcium from Nikken.) Thank you.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. In the academic research world anecdotal testimony without qualitative/quantitative data is the weakest proof for any product. I'm not making this up.
Time will tell if bio-replenishment is valid. I will be watching for more data that includes more than 38 people. Just because a person has MD after their name does not mean that they are not paid for their 2 cents.
S
SharonG,
The Mayo Clinic pilot study on American ginseng as a remedy for fatigue in cancer patients is an example of a legitimate, placebo-controlled study run by a prestigious group. I would give credence to their findings and advice:
From the Mayo Clinic website:
"Fatigue is common among people with cancer — before, during and after treatment. A 2007 pilot study at Mayo Clinic suggested that American ginseng may be an effective treatment for cancer-related fatigue."
"For the study, the researchers followed 282 people with cancer for eight weeks. Some participants received 750 milligrams (mg) of American ginseng a day, some received 1,000 mg, some received 2,000 mg and some received an inactive substance (placebo). At the end of the study, the people who received the larger doses of ginseng had more energy. They also reported better mental, physical, spiritual and emotional well-being. Those who received the low dose or placebo had little or no improvement."
"Although the results of this study are encouraging, researchers caution that the results are only preliminary. A larger trial is planned in 2008 to see if these results can be confirmed."
"Also, keep in mind that herbal supplements are subject to only limited regulation. Before taking any herbal supplement, research the company and the product. And always check with your doctor first."
BoneLady,
I agree with you, not quite as vehemently though. For example, a close friend had pancreatic cancer and Mayos did a study using Certified Wisconsin Ginseng to remedy fatigue. There was data to read, etc. It was done by Mayos. A flyer about the study was in her doctor's office. That would be something I would explore.
S
I hope everyone reading the various responses about OsteoDenx or any other product can distinguish between advertising claims (no matter which M.D. or Ph.D. supposedly makes them) and scientific research published in medical journals. I felt compelled to respond because rarely have I read so much unsubstantiated hype on this site!
Does anyone know where I can purchase osteodenx in the UK please.
Many thanks
I'm going to ask my Dr. about it. I take forteo and 2000IUs of vitamin D3. My Dr. is a researcher and well known in the field. How much does it cost?
Thanks GlobalWellness for having your Dad explain how OsteoDenx works. I am going to consider that product.
Sylvia,
I agree with you. I looked up the abstract you cited and only 38 women total were used. I'm not a researcher but that doesn't sound like enough of a sample. I'd like to believe in OsteoDenx but the hype is a bit suspicious. I don't put much stock in testimonials. How do we know they are legit. The developer is listed as a Nobel Prize nominee. I could be a Nobel Prize nominee if one reputable professor nominated me. There is no status to being a nominee. The developer is a researcher, not an MD. He sounds reputable but I'm not convinced. I was taking Fosomax and Boniva but stopped out of fear and joint aches. I feel better now. (reread this...how did I get so cynical!)
Regards
Suey,
Forteo isn't a supplement. It's a very well researched drug. It's the only drug available that builds bone. You start to make osteoblasts again, like a 17 year old when it works. I've been taking it for almost 19 months and my bone density has improved. I'll find out if there is continued improvement when I have my next Bone Density test. That's the only way you can know for sure. Good luck to you.
Char,
There have been published studies in reputable mags eg New England Journal, etc. that supports glucosomine/chondroitan at a certain level of pain provides some marked positive results.
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/354/8/795
I like quackwatch, but I think one must be careful about who is giving you the information. Dr. Barrett is a retired psychiatrist who is challenged by alternative therapy advocates because they believe he looks for the negative. His credentials look pretty good to me. I would only use quackwatch as one source.
I feel better when I take gluco/chondr and notice a difference over time when I don't. Whether it is actually doing anything, I don't care. I just care how I feel.
The man who developed OsteoDenx has impressive credentials also. I just wonder why there are no papers submitted to New England Journal of Medicine or Journal of American Medical Association if this is so groundbreaking and revolutionary.
S
Another reason besides price that I am not impressed:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/glucosamine.html
Can hardly wait for Quackwatch to assess Osteodenx, but there are so many snake oils to assess. It will not happen quickly and big bucks will be spent. Buyers beware.
Alas I spend plenty on Vitamin D, Ezorb and Calcium Orotate. My Dexa has stayed the same, at this point that is good. No fractures since I was diagnosed 16 years ago and did my bloody physical activities with no common sense. For me intense physical activity is key.
That was my question in a past email.
"Has anyone had a DEXA test that showed improvement because of OsteoDenx? The rhetorical reports seem to address the arthritic problem rather than the bone problem that we are addressing on this site."
Please let me know if this DEXA information is on the OsteoDenx website. I didn't find it. I'm having trouble keeping my DEXA scores stable and would love to find a product that would help. So far I have had no fractures.
S
Many thanks to all who have researched this product. I have a few questions, Elaine. Nikken does seem to be a distributor-based company instead of a multi-level company. A big recommendation in my opinion. I did locate a distributor in my area. I also looked at the Osteodenx fact sheet on the Nikken website, some reviews of the company and Char42's websites.
I wonder why this is sold soley via layman distributors instead of doctors-especially alternative and complementary practitioners who often advise powerful formulations outside of Big Pharma. The ingredients seem to be natural so Big Pharma would not be able to patent them-an item in favor of Osteodenx and why it isn't on prescription.
However, the company's fact sheet does warn that if a person is allergic to any of its ingredients-not to take it!
Here is my really crazy chemistry: I am violently allergic to milk: cow's, goat's, buffalo-raw, unpasturized or pasturized. It is not lacto-intolerance it is nearly toxic to my system. Cheeses, custards, ice cream are all difficult to impossible for my body to accept. I wonder how the lacto-ingredient would go.
I tried to take a Glucosamine-Chondroitin supplement with nauseous results. My chiropractor told me to take gelatin capsules instead, and I do. No bad reaction and I have better hair and nails as a bonus. No arthritic pains or joint swelling.
I also noticed that Citric Acid was an additional ingredient, often used as a preservative. It is really Vitamin C and very benign to most people. Sodium Bicarbonate can be used to soothe a too-acid stomach or prevent nausea from the ingredients. I wonder why they needed to add this. A friend of mine who has taken Fosamax for 18 years was also prescribed Nexium to counteract any bad side effect. This Bi-carb additiion smacks closely to that situation.
As for the other things:
Folic acid is part of the Vitamin B-Complex and very key keeping our systems healthy, Hyaluronic Acid is used to ease the pain of arthritis, Bromelain is a natural enzyme from such things as pineapple and a wonderful aid in digestion. High-end supplements often use enzymes to make the formulations more absorbable in our bodies and thus, more bio-available.
Zinc is part of the bone-building process-also good for hair and nails. Tumeric root is used to combat inflammation that wreaks havoc on aging bodies. It is also an ingredient in Middle Eastern curries-yum, eat up!
Has anyone had a DEXA test that showed improvement because of OsteoDenx? The rhetorical reports seem to address the arthritic problem rather than the bone problem that we are addressing on this site.
When I was diagnosed with osteo, I wanted to jump on anything, except the bisphosphonates, that would 'cure' it. After still suffering from the calcitonin therapy, I have learned to be more cautious.
I am going to ask both my conventional doctor and my alternative doctor about this formulation. Maybe I will stick my toe into OsteoDenx if they think the ingredients will be safe for me.
I love how much we are all learning! Again, thank you to all who share possibilities and new therapies because at this point, there are no magic cures.
Please explain what osteodenx is. I never heard of
it before. I have osterporosis and want to learn how
to handle it. I have been using Forteo for 30 days. After reading health articles from you and Vivian Goldschmidt, I would never consider using anything else. I just chose Forteo because I read that it is the only supplement that actually builds new bone. I want to learn how to make my bones healthy and
strong to prevent fractures, since I am a senior citizen and engage in dangerous outdoor activities.
I take anecdotal testimony with a grain of salt. I need data backed up with published studies. BUT...If you feel better, am more ambulatory, and pain-free, I am not one to object. I agree with Char42 though, the improvements your and others have felt may be unrelated to the supplements. The dr. who developed Osteodenx certainly looks credible. Biophosphnates can cause joint pain and I stopped taking them out of what is perhaps illogical fear, but just because something is not pharmeceutical does not mean it is safe. Thanks for the info Elaine. I would like to see some pre and post dexa scores from folks using Osteodenx. P.S. Arthritis is not osteoporosis. That seems to be a little mixed up in the testimonials.
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