Don't take calcium with bread?

• By Catkin
• Posted November 6, 2009 at 9:36 pm
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My breakfast of oats, fruits, yoghurt, prunes, nuts etc is now taken sans vitamins because of this phytates issue.

I also soak the oats and nuts overnight in a little warm water with a squeeze of lemon juice to remove the dreaded phytates.

In the old days people always used to soak oats and it seems to be something that we stopped doing. My old mum still soaks her porridge oats every night for her breakfast the next day.

These old wives tales often have substance in them.

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• By lilrayosun
• Posted November 6, 2009 at 9:54 pm
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I had no idea!

Thanks for the soaking info. We do the Irish oatmeal (long boiling version) here, and soaking is supposed to cut down on the cooking time. Now I know it cuts down on other things too.

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• By mary113
• Posted November 6, 2009 at 10:03 pm
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With food, without food, before or after. Thank you for clearing that up. Now I just have to figure out what supplements to take! This is all so confusing. I was trying to find a combo calcuim citrate/mag and a whole lotta other things I've read about on this site. Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated.

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• By iola
• Posted November 7, 2009 at 10:16 am
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lilrayosun , There dosn't seem to be much on there to back it up. I have Sprue and i wish i knew if rice, potato, and tapioca Flour, i have to use, for all my Bread and other pasty would not be included but i take my pilles any time i remember to, Twice a day its all ways a long time after meals

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• By lilrayosun
• Posted November 7, 2009 at 10:19 am
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I just find the whole thing confusing, because I thought certain calciums were better absorbed with food. But I guess not calcium citrate. I don't eat much bread anymore anyway, so I don't know how careful I have to be. But since I usually take my calcium a little bit before eating, I wonder if I'm absorbing any of it?

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• By Willie1
• Posted November 7, 2009 at 2:23 pm
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Interesting. I eat a bread that has 10% of the RDA of calcium in each slice and assumed the calcium was being absorbed.

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• By mary113
• Posted November 7, 2009 at 3:49 pm
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Just read about the phytate issue in a University of Arizona study. I checked out u of A's calcium supplement guidelines and that just made me more confused. Just finished sending out a new post regarding the cal : mag ratio. This whole osteoporosis stuff is SOOO confusing.

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• By Gatekeeper
• Posted November 8, 2009 at 3:12 pm
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>Flour< Well... what kind? I'm wondering if this is a gluten problem, rather than a "flour" problem. Lots of grains are made into flours for baking. Would be nice to know which have this phytate, or do they all?

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• By Gatekeeper
• Posted November 8, 2009 at 3:27 pm
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As usual... I should google first post later. :) This should relieve some worries:
http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html

Note the fix at the bottom: Zinc & Mineral supplements. So I'm thinking that the phytates in food may only be enough to bind with the minerals in those foods... not in your supplements.

And it sounds like there are more phytates in whole grains than perhaps refined ones?

That said, it is probably wise, if convenient, to take your minerals away from this food group.

But phytates in and of themselves are not evil and can do good things for our bodies.

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• By ronnijay
• Posted November 9, 2009 at 10:17 pm
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Interesting...and yet another question to add to the list that I'll bring when I go to the doctor next month for my first 3 month follow-up visit.

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• By lilrayosun
• Posted November 9, 2009 at 10:22 pm
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Okay, so this makes sense. Because the guy was talking about paratha, a kind of bread made without yeast.

Bottom line, if your bread has yeast in it -- no problem. The yeast enzyme neutralizes (for lack of a better word) the phytates in the flour. But if you are eating unleavened bread, then take your calcium earlier or later.

Cool. Thanks for that link, Gatekeeper.

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• By SusanRae
• Posted November 10, 2009 at 1:13 pm
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Hey ronnijay~

Chances are, unless your doctor is a naturopath, your doctor won't know a whole lot more about this than you will learn here or elsewhere on the internet. They just don't seem to be schooled in nutrition. I've had some pretty smart doctors, but when it comes to supplements and nutrition--they don't believe. You may have to educate yourself.

Good luck!

Susan

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• By ronnijay
• Posted November 10, 2009 at 8:55 pm
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Susan, I'm sure that would be the case. If I asked the doctor that question he would probably look at me as I have 3 heads. That's why I'm on this site every night. There is so much knowledge here and it's keeping me stoked!

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• By Gatekeeper
• Posted November 11, 2009 at 2:38 pm
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Susan, you're right about most docs. Hopefully some of the younger ones are getting up to speed on this, just like many of our generation had to get up to speed about the need for exercise. I'm very fortunate to have smart doc who pretty much practices "you are what you eat" or in my case, how you feel is based on what you eat.

Recently I've been stiffer & achier than normal... looking at my diet which is normally very good... lately I've had a Milk Dud craving (post Halloween). DH has threaten to turn me into the MDA (Milk Dud Anonymous). I think I've learned my lesson by the number of muscle relaxers lately... no more Duds once this last box is gone. :'-(

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