Alkaline minerals, blood pH and osteoporosis

• By phuduhudu
• Reply 3703735
• January 14, 2013 at 7:32 am
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A linked study from the first one

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/94/1/96.abstract

shows that the pottasium had no effect and sodium bicarbonate was just as effective. So save your money and eat baking soda perhaps?

• By john-malta
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• January 14, 2013 at 1:05 pm
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hi
I am 42 yrs old don't eat any fruit and veg I try but I dont like them now I started puting some fruit in a liquidizer twice a week approx .

this could be the reason why I have very bad bone density I need to find some time and try this stuff .

thanks

• By wdwyer
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• January 14, 2013 at 1:50 pm
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Phudunudu,

The minerals studied were potassium bicarbonate, sodium bicarbonate, and potassium chloride. Although the abstract states that "potassium" had no effect, the implied reference is to potassium chloride: "Subjects taking bicarbonate [both sodium and potassium bicarbonate) had significant reductions in urinary N-telopeptide and calcium excretion, when compared with subjects taking no bicarbonate [e.g., potassium chloride]." You could certainly take sodium bicarbonate if you wanted, but it isn't the most palatable way to consume bicarbonate. Also, people typically get too much sodium relative to potassium anyway. If you're going to take a bicarbonate, potassium bicarbonate is probably the better choice.

• By pauleis
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• January 14, 2013 at 2:36 pm
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I have been using pHion strips - urine generally tests @ 6.0-6.75. However, plain water tests @ 6.0 (should be 7.0) - very suspicious - anyone else use these strips?

• By Dogbone
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• January 14, 2013 at 2:37 pm
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I remember dr. lark in her newsletter having some sort of combo pill. I'm not sure just baking soda would not do it., but here is one source of the combo. There are all those alkaline waters, too.
http://www.squalanecream.com/a-z/product_BioTechs-KBicarb-Potassium-Bicarbo nate-99-mg-100-caps.html

• By Sylvieann
• Reply 3705123
• January 14, 2013 at 3:17 pm
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Many years ago when I had severe cystitis on holiday I was told by an English doctor that the best way of combating it in it's early stages was sodium bicarb in water. Have always travelled with some since. It neutralises the acids which can cause cystitis. I sometimes use it as a paste instead of toothpaste too as a tooth whitener.
Will be interested to see follow up answers re using this.

• By Dogbone
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• January 14, 2013 at 10:16 pm
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Sylvieann - Sodium bicabonate (baking soda) is frequently used by those suffering with interstitial cystitis ( a disease of unknown etiology, usually not caused by infection, though it obviously helps that, too) but potassium is irritating to those same people who often get diagnosed by the placing of potassium in the bladder which hurts them but not those with normal bladders.
Lately, doctors, have kindly eliminated this as a diagnostic tool but go on symptoms instead. I know what I got and I refused that test. I don't know if potassium bicarbonate would bother me.

• By LynH
• Reply 3707738 · In reply to 3705002 by pauleis
• January 15, 2013 at 12:18 pm
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Hi Pauleis

When you say that you have tested the pH of plain water, do you mean tap water? The reason I ask is that in the UK the water pH varies according to the area you live in. It all depends on the type of rock/earth that the water has passed through.

I live in a 'hard' water area and the pH is between 7.2 to 7.4 When we stayed in the Highlands of Scotland where the ground is very peaty, I was shocked to find that the pH of the tap water was only 5.5. so very acidic and described as being 'soft'

I wrote to my water supplier who was actually able to tell me what the calcium content of the water was. I needed to know whether I could use it for mixing my Strontium ranelate into it. It may be worth you sending an email to your supplier and ask what they expect the pH it be.

I have used a couple of brands of pH papers in the past and on the whole they seemed quite sensitive and gave a fairly clear result. One had a Simplex label, the other was called Energise.

I am not so happy with my present ones. Like the others they have 2 colored patches on them which should compare with the chart. In fact I find that the top square may give a reading of say 7.0 but the bottom square would match to a reading of 6.75 or even 6.5 These have a label of pH Health on the box and were on offer from the internet in boxes of 3 X 100 pieces. The picture on the internet looked the same as the others I had bought and I assumed they were cheaper because I was buying 3 boxes. I certainly won't get these again.

• By pauleis
• Reply 3708014 · In reply to 3707738 by LynH
• January 15, 2013 at 1:44 pm
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Hi LynH,

Thanks for your response. Yes, I used tap water, but it is snow melt & minimally processed. Just to be sure, I will check the strips on distilled water. If I get the same results, I will probably check other brands (not connected with selling an "Alkaline" lifestyle).

• By pauleis
• Reply 3711315 · In reply to 3707738 by LynH
• January 16, 2013 at 2:06 pm
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Hi LynH,

Just tested the strips with distilled water & again had reading of 6.0. However, the following is from the pHion website:

Q. Do these strips work with water or any other foods or chemicals?

These strips do NOT test against water or chemicals. They need to be tested against high ionized solutions. Water is not a high ionized solution and other chemicals may dilute the strip to be unreadable.

I'm still suspicious, but if I proceed, it will be with a different strip (hopefully, one which can be tested against water). I'll keep you informed.