Totally cured - naturally

• By alexa17
• Posted May 25, 2009 at 10:31 am
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Hello DIM, I am new here....actually I registered yesterday! I have been diagnosed with HPV a few months ago, but I still dont know which HPV strand I have ..... but I will this month.....I'll be doing the colcoscopy ( I think I wrote that wrong, lol, sorry).

Anyways, I was reading your messege that you posted, and I am wondering what "MMS" is. Could you please write back explaining what that is.

Also, could you tell me what your treatment was like?? I still havent started with any treatment because I still have another check up to do to see what strand I have and such.

Also, I am wondering after the HPV treatment.......if it seems to be "clear"....what does that mean? Does that mean that it can be CURED?? Or that the virus will forever stay in your body without symptoms??

I am so worried you know....I am a young mother, Im only 23 years old, with a one year old daughter. I need alot of encouragement....and also need information about this disease.

If could write back, I would really appreciate it.

Thank you,

Alexandra

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• By alexa17
• Posted May 25, 2009 at 10:33 am
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Oh, by the way, CONGRATULATIONS.....hope you keep up with whatver your doing to maitain your body healthy and strong.

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• By BBgirl
• Posted May 25, 2009 at 11:02 am
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please do post more about your regimen! and CONGRATS!! what a great day. and yes, what is MMS, and did you take DIM supplements? (wondering because of your username lol)

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• By corellin
• Posted May 25, 2009 at 11:09 am
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DIM -- I am not in favor of procedures. I still have mixed feelings about the procedure that I had. And, I don't think it's fair for doctors to scare us to rush us into having a procedure.

But.... I think people should make informed choices based on having as much knowledge and information as possible. There are all sorts of variables that determine whether someone will clear an HPV virus and dysplasia.

First, do you know what HPV type you had? There are some types that progress to CIN2 and CIN3 but have a much lower likelihood to progress to cancer. HPV16 seems to be very unique in its ability to evade the immune system and to progress. I currently have HPV67, which has been found in VIN and some CIN3 lesions, but which very, very rarely progresses to cancer. If I develop CIN3 with HPV67, I'm much less likely to choose to get a procedure than if I'm infected with HPV16, which has a higher chance of progressing. So I think that if you're making the decision to try to clear and HPV virus and dysplasia on your own, that it's helpful to know your type, because it gives you a better sense of your risk.

Second, please keep in mind that pap smears are not 100% accurate and colposcopies miss high grades of CIN about 30% or more of the time. So the best test of "cure" is if you're testing negative for HPV, in conjunction with normal cytology. Have you had an HPV test and are you testing negative? My sister has used natural means (raw food diet, etc.) to try to clear HPV, and she has fluctuated between ascus paps (mostly) and CIN2, then normal (she really thought her regimine had worked), but then CIN3 during her pregnancy, most recently. The consistent factor throughout this time was testing positive for HPV31. I told her that until she clears the virus, regardless of her cytology, she's not really been successful with her regimine (in my view).

Third, there was a study where a doctor did not believe CIN3 really progresses to cancer, so chose not to treat a bunch of his patients. Overall, about 30% progressed to vaginal or cervical cancer over their lifetime. Of those whose CIN3 persisted more than a year, 50% progressed to cancer. I don't know that happened to the rest, whether they remained at high grade dysplasia or whether their dysplasia regressed. So, even without any intervention at all, a person has about a 50/50 chance of not progressing to cancer (according to this one study).

I think the medical community should give women more options and do some carefully controlled studies using altnernative means to clear HPV & dysplasia without invasive procedures, which can have side effects -- especially the more cervix that is removed.

Also, the US has a much more aggressive screening program than most countries -- who have 2-5 year screening intervals that start later in life. In fact, the talk is now going to HPV testing as primary (in the Scandinavian countries) and extending the screening interval to 7 years. This gives a woman much more time to clear any problems such that they truly are treating persistent disease. They also just follow LSIL and ascus, with repeat testing at 1 year. So.... again, giving women much more time to clear problems on their own. The HPV is more sensitive than the pap and colposcopy, so much less likely to miss a problem and gives advance warning. Also, there's a move to type-specific testing to identify 16/18 also, since followup might need to be more aggressive for those types since they seem to have a different rate of progression/persistence than others -- even those others classified as "high risk" or "oncogenic."

So, for those clearing CIN3 on their own, I just hope you'll be informed -- know your HPV type and also how long that HPV type is persistent. Because, it's persistent infection with the same type that can potentially cause a problem over time (although it doesn't always).

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• By wyatt1
• Posted May 25, 2009 at 1:48 pm
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Hi Corellin,
Are you saying that if I tested positive for a high risk strain of HPV in my colpo, and resulting LEEP(clear margins after this procedure, but last PAP came back abnormal), the follow up PAPs and colpos do not include a test for active HPV, just a test for abnormal cells?
Wouldn't it be logical to assume that the abnormal cells would indeed be from HPV? Why would testing the abnormal cells for HPV be advantageous in this circumstance? If the colpo comes back positive for abnormal cells, wouldn't the next step be a LEEP or cone, and the HPV status not really matter since your body can carry it (repressed) in your body forever?
I'm not being too clear on my questions...I mean, once you have tested positive for a high grade strain why would a re-confirmation test every visit be necessary if you already know you carry it? Love to hear your opinion, and congratulations!
Thanks!

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• By flowershoplady
• Posted May 25, 2009 at 2:49 pm
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DIM, i think it's great that you now have no dysplasia and that your hpv test is normal. corellin has posted some great and valuable information for all of us. (thanks, corellin!).

i would caution others with cervical dysplasia that this may have occurred even if you didn't take the MMS....many women will have dysplasia regress on its own.

MMS, even according to its own site, is not fda approved as a health supplement, or even for human consumption. take a look at the disclaimer. there seem to be NO studies that have been done with this product. there are no doctors associated with this product.

there always seems to be a market for cure alls (products that supposedly cure a whole range of diseases) and there are clever marketing folks who take advantage of those who may be searching for some alternative approach from what their physicians have told them. remember that it's a business.

MMS has been around for 5+ years, and if you want to read all the "miracle" cures along with those who discredit it, just use your google search engine. if you google "mms snopes" or "mms urban legends". or, you can go to the sites selling mms and read about the miracles. they're very effective in using the internet to sell the product.

here's an fda warning letter that they're violating the law:
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/s7085c.htm

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• By Pirkar
• Posted May 25, 2009 at 3:27 pm
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Hi DIM,
concratulations, it is wondeful news! I can imagie how you feel!!! Please give us some more info, as Corellin asked already: which HPV strain you had, what was the exact results of your most recent PAP test, did you also have HPV test, what has been your medical history (you mentioned ASCUS 6 weeks ago, did you have PAPs before that?). I do not want to belittle your joy, but I have read that PAP test may be false negative up to 70% of times, so that is one of the reasons HPV test is taken as well as it detects virus almost 100% of times.
With my very best wishes!

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• By corellin
• Posted May 25, 2009 at 4:46 pm
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Hi Wyatt1 -- In answer to your question, doctors do not automatically order an HPV test along with a pap or colposcopy/biopsy. That would be a separate test, but can be run off of the liquid pap sample. So just ask your doctor for one.

Also, a successful LEEP procedure should result in clearance of the "active" HPV infection. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) says that an HPV test 6-12 months following an excisional procedure such as LEEP can be used as test for "cure" -- meaning to test whether all the dysplasia was successfully removed. There might still be some HPV lying dormant in cells adjacent to the excised area or in other parts of vagina, vulva, anus, but hopefully the virus will remain inactive in these places and undetectable and not cause a further problem, if it's there.

A person could have abnormal cells that are not caused by HPV. For example, some glandular abnormalities turn out to be endometriosis and ASCUS in older women is very often not HPV-related and sometimes after a procedure abnormal cells are just from inflammation. For example, my doctor took a vaginal sample after my LEEP which came back LSIL, but when my doctor told the pathologist the sample was from the cauterized part of the vagina, he downgraded it to "reactive atypia" resulting from the procedure.

I don't know how often HPV testing is recommended and whether it makes sense to always have an HPV test along with a pap at every visit. But, the HPV test is more sensitive in detecting high grade disease than either the pap or colposcopy/biopsy, so I'd rather have one of those than the pap test (although some people have said they had CIN3, but negative HPV -- nothing's perfect!).

Also, you can test positive for HPV before a problem develops so, in my view, it's nice to have that advance warning so you have time to try to do something (maybe lifestyle changes) to alter the course of the infection.

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• By DIM
• Posted May 25, 2009 at 4:55 pm
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Thanks a lot to all of you for the good wishes and congrats.

@alexa17: about your question, I think if you use the "search function" on this forum you can find my previous posts where I write about what I did and about the MMS as well, among other stuff.

You should try not to worry too much. In my case, I found a lot of consolation in education. The more I knew about the subject, the more I understood the problem and also....the solutions. I read a lot of literature on the subject and also a very good book by a world renowned expert on HPV and cervical problems.

@ blazinblasian: I am posting this link again, it's a link on how MMS works (and no, I am not the author of it and also, I don't sell any MMS! just in case you wonder)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iljg1sGO5k8
I heard about MMS from my friend who had got rid of her cancer about 2 years ago. Yes I also did take DIM supplements, among many other things I did.

@corellin: Yes I do know which strain I had. I had HPV strain 16 which is the high risk! My doctor checked my HPV strain from the very beginning.
Yes my HPV is now negative - and, I am not the only person in the world this happened to! It's normal for the immune system to kill that, if it's working well.
All in all I want to say to you and your sister, (just my own humble opinion) - it's not just the things you will do to get better that matter, but first and foremost the things that you will NOT DO or not do anymore that matter a lot to. If you smoke for example, you must quit. All the healthy stuff won't do much good if you weaken the cervix by 1000 chemicals.
Also, I totally do not believe in studies. If you wanted an accurate study you'd need to compare EVERYTHING a person does and doesn't do and his entire medical history. Can't compare apples with pears, which most studies do.
Let me say this, there is no reason why any conventional doctor should ever be interested to promote any natural medicine. Simply put, it'll put them out of business. Why would they do that?
I am using my Gynae only for diagnostics. For TREATMENT however, I was using another doctor and used only natural stuff. No chemical things whatsoever.

@watt1: yes you should retest your HPV sporadically because you might clear it, or you might get infected with a new strain in the meantime, or it may persist....many options. Once you know your HPV type and then your immune system kills it off, you are then IMMUNE to that strain because you will have antibodies.

@flowershoplady: I did many things to get well, MMS is only one of those things. Please note, I am just an average girl, not a saleswoman of any supplements. However, I am citing MMS because i did have my best results after taking it.
As for FDA, please give me a break. Do you even know how the FDA operates? FDA? It's big joke. There are thousands of effective treatments that are not FDA approved. So what? Chinese Medicine is not FDA approved! Garlic is not FDA approved! However, Aspartame is FDA approved! Go figure.
I really couldn't care less. You know what I care about? RESULTS.
For your information, Jim Humble, the accidental inventor of MMS is NOT selling his own product. in fact, he had to flee from the USA (same story as Dr. Hulda Clark) because such discoveries are a threat to the entire pharma industry and insurance business. If you believe that the FDA and your medical doctor have the patient as the number one concern, you are really wrong. It's a business, it's about money.
If Jim Humble was a fraud, he should sell the product himself and sell it for 10000$ a bottle. However, a bottle only costs 20$ and lasts about a year. Think about that for a minute.
I can tell you about myself. I have the lab tests to prove it. Cigarettes for ex. are deadly - still, you can buy them can't you? Where's the gov's interest in your health really? If you think the FDA is the omen for all good in the world, you need to do some serious research.
The link you posted just says that in the USA obviously you guys are not allowed to say "than anything can cure you". It doesn't say, that it doesn't work.

So ladies, i wish you all the best and hope you can find the treatment that works for you.

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• By flowershoplady
• Posted May 25, 2009 at 5:13 pm
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DIM, i wanted to say again that i truly think it's great that you cleared the dysplasia and hpv without medical treatment....whatver worked, or whatever combination of things worked, it's excellent news! i cleared VAIN1, post hysterectomy, though it took about 18 months of careful watching and waiting, and also made some definitive changes in my life which i believe contributed to it clearing. at the time, there was no hpv specific test available, but it had been after years of recurring cervical dysplasia. it can be done, and though i had treatment when my dysplasia was more progressed, i do believe that healthy lifestyles are great for overall health, including our gyn health, and our emotional health as well.

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• By jamiegirl
• Posted May 25, 2009 at 11:02 pm
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DIM - congrats - that's wonderful! I am totally of the mindset that the medical community is a business. I do however believe in a balanced combination of medicine and holistic/natural/alternative treatments. I have been to a licensed nurse who does kinesiology, iridology and all other kids of funky stuff. She did ot know specifically about dealing with hpv, but she did give me things to eradicate viruses. Unfortunately, I think a combo of a couple of them gave me bad stomach cramps. I do intend to see a naturopath after my June 3 gyno visit. It will be the 6 month mark since my LEEP, so I want to see the results before I seek other treatments in order to know exactly what I am dealing with. I know that I do have anal hpv, so that is one thing I need to work on....Best wishes again!

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• By ashbar
• Posted May 26, 2009 at 12:34 pm
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I'm sure you all know that the FDA sent the same type of letter warning General Mills to stop claiming that Cheerios can lower cholesterol,. According to the FDA, this claim to supposedly prevent or treat a disease makes Cheerios a drug. The FDA also sent a warning letter to cherry growers, for claiming that cherries have health benefits. Cherry growers were told they could not market their product as having specific health benefits, even though their marketing was based on scientific studies. In order to continue using their marketing, they were told they would have to submit their product to clinical trials & market them as a drug.

When did drugs become the only way to prevent or treat disease? Oh yeah...when the FDA went to bed with the drug companies. Like you DIM, I don't pay much attention to the recommendations or warnings by the FDA. I have no confidence that the organization has my best interest at heart.

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• By ashbar
• Posted May 26, 2009 at 12:58 pm
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And oh yeah--congratulations! I sent you a mesage/friend request but I wanted to say it publicly too! : )

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• By iluvtosinga
• Posted May 26, 2009 at 3:01 pm
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What website can I look up MMS?

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• By Daphne75
• Posted May 27, 2009 at 11:43 pm
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The FDA needs to get out of cherry growers' and General Mills' business and focus on the safety of our food supply!

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• By colette77
• Posted May 29, 2009 at 7:17 pm
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Corellin - how do you know which strain you have? I thought the only test available for specific strain typing was the new Cervista 16/18 test.

I've been waiting for this new Cervista test to come out. My followup for LSIL is in July and I'm hoping the test is available by then.

Thanks so much!

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• By corellin
• Posted May 30, 2009 at 3:31 am
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Hi colette -- I know my strain because I'm part of a study through the University of Washington. But, there are several companies that do type-specific testing where they will test for more types than just 16/18. These tests aren't FDA approved. One company is called Access Genetics. You could give them a call and see if they have any partner labs in your area, if you're interested.

Dim - thanks for sharing your type, and I'm glad to hear that your HPV has cleared along with the dysplasia. I agree with you that a lot of studies aren't well- designed and are comparing apples to oranges, but I think well-designed studies are necessary to really get at the heart of something. For example, we don't really know that a particular supplement influenced the outcome of a person's HPV for the same reasons you cited above -- that we need to take into account every single thing that's going on in a person's life to really know. So the only way to truly know whether a particular supplement makes a difference is to have a well-designed study that looks at the impact of a supplement on a large group.
In my sister's case -- she has never smoked, doesn't drink out of plastic water bottles, has been on a largely raw food diet and taken numerous supplements under the care of a naturopath and herbalist. She had two friends die of cancer and buried on the same day, so, as a result, has done tons of research on natural healing. And I've read a lot of the books she has referred me to. Without well-controlled studies, I'm very skeptical about what makes the difference when one person clears HPV and another doesn't. For example, I have a very normal immune system -- so why would I not clear HPV when many women who are HIV positive do clear HPV (although at lesser rates than HIV neg women). At the time my HPV progressed, I had never smoked, rarely drank, exercised regularly, wasn't eating refined sugar and hardly ever got sick. So why would HPV progress in me, but not in the average population, most of whom have no special diet whatsoever? And, I think it's strange that neither my sister nor I could clear HPV. A hereditary factor?
Anyway, I am very happy for you that your CIN3 and HPV cleared without needing a procedure. I do think it's important for women to exercise their freedom of choice and to believe they do have a choice in their care. Far too often I think doctors try to scare us into procedures, saying "you need!... or else" when in fact we do have options -- so I'm glad you stuck to your beliefs and exercised your option to give your body time to clear the HPV & dysplasia without surgical intervention.

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• By DIM
• Posted May 30, 2009 at 11:54 am
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Hello all,

thanks for the posts. I have my own theories as to why some people's immune system might not be 100%.
These are just my own thoughts...I am not a doctor....but, you might want to look into these things:

- monitor your PH CLOSELY if you are acidic (which MOST PROBABLY you are, make it a priority to alkalyze
- do a Humaworm or parasite cleansing (this is why I went for the MMS)
- you must test yourself for heavy metals. In my case, i was very toxic on mercury. I guess partly because as a child I had mercury tooth fillings and also, because i had over 36 vaccinations in my life. If you didn't know, vaccinations are full of toxic mercury.
The mercury in my system kept my immune system constantly lowered.
I bought a heavy metal test online, it cost only 12 U$ (you must get a test which tests for free IONS through urine sample - a hair test is not reliable). It is also interesting, that MMS removes heavy metals by oxydation.

This is what i did.

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• By Dragonfly23
• Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:10 pm
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I just wanted to add that there are now believed to be genetic factors which play into all this as well. Years ago, it was found that certain Jewish women did not acquire HPV. It was later discovered that this was because they had a genetic alteration in their p53 protein (natural tumor suppressor) which is one of the two tumor suppressors we all have. The other is pRb. Two oncogenes from HPV namely E6 and E7 are responsible for deactivating these natural tumor suppressors however because of the genetic change in the p53 of certain Jewish women they weren't affected by the virus. So there is a genetic factor in there as well which unfortunately none of us can change.

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• By flowershoplady
• Posted May 30, 2009 at 9:18 pm
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fascinating information, dragonfly! do you have a source for your info...i'd like to read more about this genetic component in some jewish women. thanks in advance!

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