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I'd like to find out if anyone out there has gotten rid of CIN3 and CIS on their own through diet, supplements, or other means? I'd like to hear about your story for emotional support. I refuse to do LEEP, cone, hysterectomy, etc or any other procedure. I just don't feel right about it. - I want to cure myself.
Has anyone else done this before from this stage?
Thanks
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I would also be interested in hearing any suggestions as I just received a CIN3 diagnosis today. I have cryotherapy scheduled for next Friday, but want to look at all options.
You are brave to do this on your own. The mind and body are powerful things! I'll check on your discussion to see your progress.
I've never heard of ANYONE curing CIN3 on their own...it's such a 'tricky' thing and I'm afraid until something than the 'normal' treatments/surgeries have changed...things could only get worse if you aren't treated. Yes I believe in eating right...no smoking, and taking vitamins as supplements...but I'm very worried that if you try to cure this on your own...you will come out 'bad' in the long run.
Never the less my PRAYERS are with you and I wish and PRAY that GOD cures you, never having to face harsh realities of CANCER.
Tight HUGS
What I am going to say is my own personal opinion, but do not recommend this as I am not a medical doctor nor am I qualified to do so. All I ask that you keep an open mind.
I rented this movie a few days ago from Netflix and here is a brief summary:
Title: HEALING CANCER (2008) 127 minutes
Filmmaker and researcher Mike Anderson questions the validity of conventional cancer treatments and offers a natural alternative for healing the body through nutrition and supplements in this comprehensive two-part documentary. Learn the common misconceptions about cancer as well as how to assess the benefits and risks of any cancer therapy. Researchers, nutrition experts and cancer survivors also offer inspiring testimony to natural healing.
My opinion after watching it: surgeries do NOT cure you. It is not the solution.
You may understand why I came to this conclusion after watching it, and recommend that you watch it yourself and see how you think about things afterwards.
For me it was a BIG wake up call and I cannot tell you how much it has changed my perspective on things.
Personally I had CIN 3 last year and have undergone 2 LEEPs so its not like I skipped traditional treatments. I will still continue to go to my gynecologist and strongly consider the suggestions.
HOWEVER I have realized more is IN MY HANDS after watching this movie.
Thanks for this post! I am also very interested of experiences of those who have cured CIN III on their own. I searched for statistics, and found research according to which (do not have exact numbers now, but will look up and post here later):
1. about 34 % of CIN III regresses without any treatment;
2. about 12% progresses into cancer;
3. the rest (more than 50%) will stay the same.
If these figures are right, 1 of four persons with CIN III will cure themselves without any surgery, and possibly without any changes in their lifestyle, diet etc at all.
However, there are risk factors that I believe may put one into the 2nd category who will develop cancer. These include: HPV 16 (most aggressive strain), other STDs (herpes and chlamydia), smoking, alcohol, and state of your general immune system, that is affected by many factor such as poor diet, stress, lack of sleep. Finally your local (cell level) immunity also play a role, at least while you got the infection in the first place.
As to myself, I chose for LEEP for CIN III treatment because I was too afraid that I may belong to this small minority (12%) who will develop cancer. Sometimes this has happened really fast and because I progressed from ASCUS to CIN III in 2 years, and had HPV 16, I believed there is a chance that also CIN III may progress fast.
I thought about alternative therapy, however, I was too afraid to try it. I was emotionally not able to cope with the fear about the possibility of developing/having cancer and the removal of the whole uterus, infertility etc - so finally I decided to go for the surgery.
In hindsight, I know that I probably had more time to try the alternative methods, because my LEEP results were CIN III. I believe it would not have progressed in few months and I could have tried alternative cures, but I was too afraid at the time to take that risk. All my friends and family also told me not to take that risk, because rationally speaking - LEEP is much better choice if the other choice is cancer. On the other hand, in different circumstance I would have chose to wait - for example if I already had children and would not want anymore.
I think you are very brave if you will chose to cure CIN III without conventional medical treatment. unfortunatley, noone can tell you if it will work. If you look at statistics, some people will cure and others will not, but it is hard to tell for who it will work.
I wish you luck and pray for your cure.
Dear Pirkar and Inspyre,
You both bring up excellent points & stats - I have read those, too, Pirkar.
I wonder how often drs recommend aggressive or radical treatments as 'precautionary' whether based on the patient's fear, or to prevent a lawsuit or even, and I know this sounds jaded, because it's lucrative.
There was an article, recently, on the Cancer Compass website that stated that gyn-oncs have a lower cancer recurrence than gyns d/t the more radical surgery they use. I think that kind of sums it up right there. Perhaps some women agree with the 'yank it' just in case approach. I do not. There's a reason why we have the organs we came into this world with and unless it's necessary to remove them, I think our bodies are better off with them in place. There will always be exceptions to that - but I often read and hear of women who are having discussions about hysterectomies for dysplasias - not even cancer! As if it's the 'next' thing we do. Considering the amount of $$ being made from hysterectomies, I wonder whether it's become the quick fix for these problems. We need more $$ for research and better treatments for cervical disease. In the meantime, women need to learn how to be their own best advocate so that they have the most effective minimally invasive treatments so their fertility, sexuality, bodily functions and the psycho-social aspect of body image are preserved, not radically taken for the 'what ifs'. Just my opinion.
Thanks for the responses everyone! I had no idea until I was diagnosed with CIN3 / CIS the magnitude of people out there that have gone through this or are dealing with it now.
After my colposcopy my Doctor took me into her office shut the door and began to tell me the seriousness of my condition. She said even just seeing it with the naked eye she could tell that I had CIN3/CIS and while she couldn’t say for sure that I had cancer yet at this point she said it doesn’t look good. I broke down for a moment and asked for a tissue to catch the tears falling down my face.
After leaving I did a ton of research. I called my Doctor back and said that I was very leery of this LEEP procedure because on the internet I heard of LEEP turning into a CONE biopsy. She said until she got in there she couldn’t really tell me for sure that it WOULDN’T be a CONE procedure but said that it’s very rare if that ever happens. (Not according the stories of other women on the internet I thought to myself) I wasn’t buying what she was selling and persisted on asking more questions until she said I had a hysterectomy done myself and it really was no big deal. GULP, WHAT DID SHE SAY? How could that be no big deal? Did she try to cure her condition on her own first? Why did she resort to the most extreme possibility? She said she knew she didn’t want to have kids so just had them remove it. OK, now I knew this was not the Doctor for me and I left to find a cure on my own.
Then after more research in books and online I found that that a lot of people who do the LEEP have a recurrence of abnormal paps throughout the years and some end up having a hysterectomy done in the end and yet still more complications come back. SCARY.
Anyway, I’ve decided on the PH Alkaline diet to cure my condition, its mainly 80% raw foods and 20% acidic. I drink only pure drinking water (I make my own with a machine) and I add trace minerals and PH drops to it. I do stray every once in awhile and have an occasional slice of pizza or treat but for the most part I’ve gotten rid of SUGAR, DAIRY and MEAT from my diet. Sugar ferments in our body and causes our cells to breakdown and cause cysts, tumors, abnormal growths, mold, fungus, parasites, etc. When we eat the wrong food combinations it also attacks our body in other ways. What I’m learning is fascinating to me and I truly believe that I will cure my own health condition. (At times it feels a little lonely and friends call me up to yell at me and tell me I’m crazy and that I could die if I don’t do what the Doctor tells me) – I figure that is how everyone is brainwashed – CUT IT OUT and COVER IT UP WITH DRUGS - I want to treat the underlying cause so that it goes away and NEVER comes back.
I go in for a check up to see if what the progress is on October 15th -2008
Thanks for your support everyone!
Boy, Curing - I'm all for the natural approach, but...
I had CIN 3 and vaginal CIS as well, and have opted for 2 LEEPS. I hated them, and after each one, thought - never again.
However recently I've met a woman who, because of religious reasons, opted not to deal with her CIN. She now has invasive cancer, and when I see what she's going through - I just wouldn't recommend risking that. She still resisted the "Western" approach - but has finally opted for radiation and chemo to save her life. And - it might be too late.
I honestly think the alternative approaches here are great, and should be used in conjuction with surgery.
I am going to monitor my progress every three months to make sure what I'm doing is working. If I do not see progress I will have LEEP but I do not want to take that course without trying to heal it on my own first. It is a frightening thing yes and I hope my story will inspire others to take their health into their own hands at earlier stages anyway of CIN 1 / CIN 2 before jumping so fast at having things cut out and removed. I am not just ignoring it in the hope that it will disapear. I'm working on improving my health everyday. I know its not going to be an over night success story, its a journey I'm on. Sorry to hear about your friend.
Wondering why you had two LEEPS, did the first procedure not work or did it come back and you had to repeat the LEEP? How far inbetween the two LEEPS I wonder before the condition came back? Thanks for your help, support and concern.
i would add that many gyn/oncologists may lean towards surgery because that's what they 'do'. a surgeon does surgery, and his/her work is in treating and fixing a problem. watching and waiting may be very appropriate, and just as it's difficult for us to 'do nothing' but watch and wait, i think it can be difficult for some doctors to do that as well. that's why i'm impressed when a doctor recommends watching/waiting vs. surgery.
and, i agree that too many hysterectomies are performed, whether for dysplasia or for other health issues. and doctors may not think ahead as to the possible ramifications of these surgeries. personally, i would feel very uncomfortable with any doctor who thinks a hysterectomy is no big deal. it's a big deal....in many ways.
I completely agree with you, Flowershoplady. It just seems to be such a 'crap shoot' trying to figure out who's going to go on with more severe disease than others and I'm not convinced that a blanket approach of doing a hysterectomy as preventative is the answer. Interestingly enough, Satyra, I did have a couple of gyn-oncs say to me (diagnosed w/CIS) that I would not want to be beyond that stage as it becomes a whole 'nother ballgame. That really scared me because I felt like I was on the edge of something that would wildly be out of my control and that would ultimately lead to my death (esp since lower stats of survival were quoted to me as well). Very difficult for me to hear because I did not want to have a hysterectomy and made my choice clear. For me, it was the wrong choice, because there was NO cancer in my hyst path report. Yet, as I write this, I recall reading other women's stories where it wasn't until a hysterectomy was done that the path report revealed invasive cancer. So, I don't want to come across so anti-hysterectomy when, in some cases, it has saved lives. That's why I can't stress enough to women to learn about your bodies, learn as much as you can about HPV, dysplasias, cancer, etc - learn about hysterectomy, alternatives and yes, I do think diet comes into play so much more than western medicine currently recognizes. I just feel sad about my loss, especially since I do believe I had less aggressive alternatives, and sad when I think of other women experiencing the same sense of loss. I try to keep it in perspective when I read others' postings who've had invasive cancer and have fought it and won or are continuing to fight it. I see all the support and funding available for breast cancer and would love to see the same attention directed toward gynecological cancers. I think many women suffer in silence with gynecological disease and the consequences of the treatments/surgeries.
Dear friend
I have CIN3 and CIS as you and before 4 days I had a Leep. I didnt wanted to fo under this operation before I am handled everything with homepathy till now and I almost never take medication, but i felt scared to deal with it without operation because I would like to have children. Before the operation I was in homeopathy treatment and I will continue as homeopathy has good results at Hpv. I take vitamin C 500gr every day and B12 that is helpfull for the immune system. my homeopath had me writing down an essay on how I believe I repress my self and it took a lot of pages !!
I think that for sure you have to change doctor as hysterectomy is a really big deal
I believe as you do, that all of us have the power to cure our selves so I thing with the right mutrition and alternative medicine and good mood miracles can happen. !!! So even if it is a risk I sent you all my positive energy to your fight and I wish you the best . You are not alone , we are together
Let us know your news
take care : )
Thanks a lot for everyone who have posted their thoughts here. You have been huge help for me, and not only about this subject, but the rest as well. Thanks a lot.
I do believe that cutting away something is the worse choice because you will never have it back. Would anyone contemplate on cutting away a finger or hand if it is infected? But sometimes ampultation of leg or hand can save your life.
There are some important points I would like to stress:
1. if it was easy to cure oneself, eveyone would do it. if many people were successful in curing tehmselves, the word would spread, and soon most people would do it. While I truly believe that one can treat oneself only by mental power (thinking), it demands such knowledge, experience, willpower, belief etc etc that I believe very few people can achieve. Therefore we need doctors and conventional medical treatment like surgery.
2. diagnosis CIN III/ CIS is not the whole picture. if one makes choice, it would be worth to consider other aspects as well. For instance, if you have HPV 16, it is not very likely (in my mind) that diet will change anything because research has shown that immune system does not play much role in case of HPV 16 (in other words, you may have very strong immune system, but you will still develop HSIL or possibly cancer if you have HPV16). Thus, prior making decision, it makes sense to find out what type of HPV you have.
3. There is research that 15% or cancers are caused by infections with viruses or bacteria, and candida is related to cancers. However, if you have got HPV 16, I believe you do not need candidam because HPV is strong enough to cause cancer by itself. And candida does not cause HPV and there is no reasearch showing that candida causes the persistent infection with HPV. If that was true, all HPV infections could be cleared up by alkaline diet that removes candida. While I cannot rule this out, it does not seem very likely to me. We could do little survey here - are you ladies who have been diagnosed with CIN III or CIS or cancer, having sympotoms of candida? Because candida has little symptoms (exept vaginal or oral version), it is easy to believe that my cervical dysplasia is caused by candida. It seems to me that HPV 16 is so nasty virus, that it may cause HSIL or cancer by its own. Thus, it is impossible to fight it in normal life style, because you cannot always have the best food, enough sleep or no stress. In normal life, you will sometimes have periods when your immunity is lower, and if you are all the time thinking that your latent HPV will activate, you cannot lead full fledged life anymore! You do not want to have sex - because you are afraid of getting infection, you cannot eat anything, cannot have any alcohol, cannot stay up late etc etc. To be honest, such lifestyle seems to me as uninteresting as life in prison..
4. another point I wanted to make is that there is also a HUGE difference btw different methods of treatments. It is TOTALLY different thing if you will have LEEP or hysterocomy done. Radical hyst remove the whole uterus, while LEEP removes perhaps few millimeters. Thus, we should not talk about both of them as "surgeries" because these treatment methods have so different results - with LEEP most of women can have children, have no complications in labor etc etc. LEEP is not comparable to hysterocomy.
5. having said that, I keep my fingers crossed for you Curing_CIN3_onmyown! I do hope that you will succeed! That would also be so important for other women who in the future will have the same diagnosis. You could show the way how do get well without giving them (doctors) very important parts of your body! I would be so happy if I had kept the piece of my cervix which is gone forever. I will never get it back. On the other hand, I do not regret my choice because I still believe that with available knowledge about my diagnosis, I did the best choice for me. I wish you good health, and be strong. You do believe in yourself, and that is SO important. I believe in you too.
Thanks Pirkar and everyone else for your comments. I'm not sure if I had or have had Candida - I can tell you that months prior to me finding out I even had anything wrong with me I started to spot inbetween periods (something I had never done before). Then, after I started my PH Alkaline diet I noticed while the acidic was leaving my body I had no strength and my tounge was coated with a white film I had never seen before either - to me it seemed very noticeable too. I keep at the diet and within a short few days my body increased with more energy that I had had in years! After a couple more weeks my tounge turned to its normal color again. (From the research I've done they say that could have been all of the acidic stuff trying to leave my body) they say you feel worse before you feel better because all of the toxins I've been storing in my body were being dumped into my blood stream to leave my body.
Here is one story I found on the internet that I thought was very inspiring - Please everyone check it out.
The story of how I reversed cervical dysplasia, got rid of high risk HPV and candida by adopting a raw vegan alkaline diet
http://buellerskitchen.com/?p=65
If you had CIN 2, you have about a 40 to 50 percent you will clear within 24 to 36 months, but that depends upon your diagnosis HSIL, CIS and so on. With that said at 40 percent for CIN2 why would you want to wait and see or let it clear on its own if you have CIN3 as the stats fall lower than that for CIN 3.One thing you will notice from the stories here in this forum, CIN 3 progresses a majority of the time and within the next 10 years you can be looking at radical invasive cervical cancer. If anything, consult another doctor if you are considering not going through with surgery.
If any thing we learned during the conference this past week is that the hollistic approach may be best used to supplement your western medecine and surgery to boost your immune system, not replace it.
I wish you luck whatever you decide, but I caution you because it is your life and future fertility you are putting at jeopardy.Think long and hard and consult another doctor for a second opinion - please!I don't want to see a posting from you in a year or more that you have full blown cancer. While I take immino booster vitamins, I still rely upon western medecine.
PS - I also applaud you for being your own advocate and taking control of your medical care! I am just concerned that you may be too far progressed for more natural means. If it was CIN 1 or 2 I would say go for it, but your CIN3 and CIS worry me!
Hi Curing_CIN3_onmyown!
I read the story of bullerskitchen. While I do not doubt that she believes her miraculous cure is true, some comments are in order:
1. she describes her medical diagnosis "CIN 1, type 3." No such diagnosis unfortunately exists in the medical vocabulary! there are different systems of classification of dysplasia, one of them is CIN 1-3 system and the other is LSIL,HSIL system. If she writes I had "CIN 1, type 3" it indicates that she had not taken the effort to find out what exactly was her medical condition. So how come do we know what type of dysplasia she cleared up with the alkaline diet? As we know, majority of CIN 1-2 clears up by ITSELF with no changes in diet - thus, if she had mild dysplasia (CIN 1-2 or LSIL), it could have cleared up anyway, without any changes in diet.
Beacuse she fails to give an adequate description of her diagnosis, I doubt if she really cleared up her dysplasia by herself (although that is what she believes). Rather, it is much more likley that her dysplasia would have regressed anyway becaus eit was mild dysplasia. Thus, there is no proof wahtsoever, that she "reversed cervical dysplasia, got rid of high risk HPV and candida by adopting a raw vegan alkaline diet". Sorry for being so sceptical, but I just see no evidence of this claim in her story..
2. She also does not mention what type of HPV she had? It is very important piece of knolwledge, as the 16 is the most persistent and aggressive type.
3. if anyone could prove they reversed CIN III/CIS and HPV 16 by themselves, I would be very impressed. We do not find many such stories in web - I wonder if the reason is that such miraculous cures are very rare. I have not heard about any such case, but would appreciate a lot if someone would refer to such case.
Thanks Pirkar for the insight and your thoughts. It makes me think more. My doctor wouldn't even tell me what type of HPV I have either, I've askd and they said they just assume with HSIL CINIII / CIS that I have HPV - I've asked what number / strand and they said it doesn't matter, I have it. So I will follow up and find out specifically what type of HPV I have - and get a new Doctor if she doesn't or can't tell me. Thanks!
Is there a certain test to ask for that gives the exact number of HPV?
It does appear to me that the girl with Type 1 CIN3 probably had type CIN1 - the way - it was unclear to me as well.
I go in for a check up on the 15th this month - to monitor my progress.
Thanks for your support.
Hi again, Curing... In answer to your question, I had my first LEEP in July of 2003, and my second in January this year. Yes, they dysplasia came back. It wasn't as severe the second time, but because I haven't been able to kick the HPV, my doctor felt it was unlikely to resolve.
I've only had one clear PAP since I contracted the virus, and that was right after the first LEEP - I think nothing had a chance to grow at that point.
curing, most of us don't know what strain of hpv we have; there is no standard test to provide this info, and most doctors and labs don't have the capability of determining the strain. they run the standard digene hpv test which only indicates whether the strain is high risk or low risk, and thus only indicates that it can be one (or more) of a group of strains. there are some women on this message board who have been able to get their hpv strain, and it usually takes contacting a lab on your own. if you search past message postings, there's a posting on a lab in washington (state) that does type specific testing. i wish we could all get type specific info along with our hpv test.....i wonder if that was discussed at the conference this past weekend.
Hi everyone,
will post here a link to an article that says: "Current practice tends to over-treat women with abnormal cells, dysplasia, hyperplasia, and in situ carcinomas. In nine out of ten cases, if carcinoma in situ of the cervix is left untreated, it will never progress to cervical cancer."
http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/cervical-cancer-the-wise-woma n-way
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