Poor ovarian reserve

Hi,

I'm 32, and have been TTC for over 5 years now. I have been to 3 different RE's in Alabama. IVFx1, 4 IUI's with Follistim, and all BFN. Today, I went for a DAY 3 baseline with my 3rd RE. My LH was 11, FSH 8, and estradiol was 99. I have regular cycles, although I start to spot about one week before I start every cycle (very annoying). I have an appt on Monday to discuss further options. I just want to try IVF again, but I have a feeling that my RE is going to recommend DE's. Even though my FSH is good, I guess it's my estradiol that's masking my ovarian reserve. Are there others with a similar scenerio out there with good outcomes? I am losing hope!
Amy

Edited November 22, 2008 at 3:58 am

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Hi Amy,

My story is I started trying when I was 38. After 6 months, we went to RE #1-my FSH was 7 but my Estradiol was 74 and I was told that was artificially deflating my FSH. I did four chlomid IUIs with that RE-all BFN. I then switched REs for insurance reasons-at which point I was 39. (At the time of my last IUI, my FSH was 6.4 but Estradiol was 133.) The new RE had me take a MIS test-which came back showing a low ovarian reserve. At that point, she told me IVF probably would not work for me because I would not be able to produce enough follicles (they required three for a transfer) and my best best was IUIs but even better was DEs. I was hysterical. I swung back and forth between believing I would never conceive and believing she was wrong. She allowed me to try an IVF and for that cycle, my FSH was 14.6 (you can only do the cycle at some clinics if you are under 15, others under 12, etc.) I produced three follicles but only one was growing, so my IVF was converted to an IUI and BFN. After another discussion with the RE, we decided that since I was fortunate enough to have insurance that paid for IVF, we would try another cycle when I had a lower FSH (it fluctuates monthly). In the meantime, I consulted with two other clinics, one which is the "best" in NY-that doctor wouldn't even see me unless I was willing to go the DE route, and the other was a mini-IVF clinic which just seemed so desperate. I underwent IVF try #2 at my clinic when my FSH was 12. We got four follicles and were able to go to ER. From four follicles, only one egg was retrieved. It fertilized with ICSI and was transferred. But it didn't take. Because of my RE's negative attitude towards my chances and because of other things that happened while at that clinic, I switched REs again. My new RE uses a new protocol, estrogen priming, which is supposed to help women with high FSH. I was also doing accupuncture and against RE advice, taking the Chinese teas. My FSH went down to 11.4. We started IVF 2.5 and I had 8 follicles, five eggs, four mature, three fertilized, two transferred on day 5. I am now pg with a singleton (10 weeks, 1 day). Every doctor placed my chances at slim to none (even my current RE,who I love, only gave me a 15-20% chance), every lay person said it would happen. I think you have to know yourself and how much you are willing to take-emotionally, physically, and financially. Unfortunately, ART procedures do not work for everyone, however, I'm living proof that you can be successful (knock on wood) with a high FSH. Also if you want further encouragement, suggested reading is "Inconceivable" by Julia Indochiva and "Waiting for Daisy"-I forget the author.

I hope this gives you the faith you need. I'm wishing you lots of luck. Remember, a diminished ovarian reserve only means that you can't produce lots of eggs, not that you can't produce the one good one that you need!

Marnie

Amy,
So sorry about all the hell you've been thru. You were asking if anyone was in a similar scenario with some success. I'm 35 now, but at 32 I had a day 3 fsh of 16.7. I had 2 mc's before my diagnosis of POF. Two different RE's told me I was not a candidate for IVF. So I did 1 clomid cycle and 1 IUI with meds (both unsuccessful). I got pregnant at 33 on a natural cycle. At the time, I was eating mostly non-processed foods and drinking this green drink. I had switched my obsession for having a baby, to an obsession with having a healthy body. I don't know if that's what made the difference or not. Don't lose hope. It's out there.

Hi Marnie,

I will ask my RE about estrogen priming at my appt on Monday. What did your RE do for you on your last cycle? Was it a completely different medication/dosage? Depending on what my RE says, I may consider a consultation in NY. Any recommendations?

Thanks,
Amy

Hi Amy,

Well, my RE did the estrogen priming which basically was starting with about five days of Lupron (which since I'm older I've never had before) and wearing an estrogen patch and taking estrogen suppositories for two weeks before starting cetrotide and Gonal F. I did not take repronex or menopur, like I had in other cycles. After transfer, we started Progesterone in oil shots and suppositories with progesterone and estrogen. Additionally throughout the entire cycle, I've been on a mild steroid, dexamethasone, to help with implantation issues. Because I had immunity issues, I also have intralipid infusions every four weeks. Not fun, but totally worth it when I look at the ultrasounds. If you do a consult in New York, I totally recommend the Sher Institute-it's a less factory-like setting and makes for a less stressful experience, plus they have centers all over the country.

Good luck.

Marnie

I'm 33 and my FSH is 32 and my AMH test was low meaning DOR. Lupron oversuppresses me so I use the antagonist protocol with Ganirelix around day 6 of stims to suppress when my LH surge is detected. I have also heard that Bravelle (non-synthetic form of FSH) is better.

*ments*
I just got a BFP and it has been doubling, will be 5 weeks tomorrow so still very early. I did Bravelle and Menopur combined in the same shot. But this time I did prednisone (corticosteroid) 5mg twice a day starting with stims to help with implantation for any immune issues since I am also hypothyroid and have Hashimoto's. I started baby aspirin and Lovenox after ET since I have MTHFR.

I had asked about estrogen priming but my E2 levels didn't warrant it. I also tried wheat grass for a month but that didn't seem to help. I had done acupuncture and herbs on and off for months, but the cycle I got the BFP on I did no acupuncture.

DE was going to be our next step if this IVF didn't work. My RE actually has really cautioned us that it's a huge step and we really need to think about it. He has never pushed us to it regardless of my FSH number since his clinic is not into stats.

Good luck to you.
- Lisa Z

HI Amy,

Hang there...there can be hope. I just turned 38 this weekend. In February I had an FSH = 0.7 and Estradiol = 296 and my basal follicle count was 2 - 3. I was given a less than 5% chance of success. The story even starts five years ago, when my cycle slowed down to almost nothing. I ignored it as I wasn't trying to get pregnant. Las summer, just when my partner and I started trying, my cycle stopped completely and I had hot flashes and weight gain. Ugh! My 'random' FSH at the time was 44. I immediately started acupuncture, just to get my cycle back and in January switched to an Acupuncturist who specialized in treating fertility. I also reduced a ton of stress in my life by leaving my job. By April, my FSH and Estradiol # were normal and I proceeded through 2 rounds of IUI (did not qualify for IVF as I had too few follicles). My first round was a 250IU of Repronex that was increased mid-cycle and canceled due to NO RESPONSE. The second IUI, I was also put on a high dose clomid flare and 450IU of Follistim. I had 3 - 4 follicles respond and a BFN. Heartbroken, I decided to refocus on my life (I had started a new job and my partner and I moved in together), getting my cycle healthy (it was still erratic), and getting my mind happy...so I focused on acupuncture, started some new hobbies, saw my therapist, and exercised regularly with swimming and yoga (but not pushing as hard as I used to). November 1 was supposed to be the start of IUI #3 but I was surprised by a Spontaneous Pregnancy.

So, as the others have said...take care of your physical and mental health and explore all your options (western and eastern medicines work great together).

I wish you the best of luck!!!

CAL

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