Has anyone with gastroparesis tried herbal solutions for this illness?

Hello
I'm new to this site. I 'm from Iran .unfortunately there is not any GP test here.I, however, think that I have a symptom of this illness ,that is, food lingers too much on my stomach even sometimes with small meals,I don't suffer from other symptom(s) such as nausea,vomiting,reflux,pain. I often live on liquids and soups and this is not good for me that before the onset of the illness, I suffered weight loss(180 cm tall and 65 kg weight but now I weigh 50 kg and I continue losing my weight). It has affected my life severely and has caused me to feel depressed .It used to occur temporarily and after a while I was fine again but now I have it for 6 months and no signs of recovery.
I have two questions: Do you think I have GP as I do?
and Are the herbal medicines such as Perteton, Trenical, Pranofax, Segratax scams or as their producers claim online they can treat GP?

Thank you

Edited August 19, 2011 at 1:41 am

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I saw an intigrative sp??? medical doctor and she was a farce. sold me all kinds of herbal meds of which nothing worked. Be careful!!!!!

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Magnolia bark extract worked for a while to improve my gastric emptying. Like every other medicine I tried it stopped working due to tolerance buildup. I alternate through meds. Right now I am on bethanechol again. When this stops working I will try the magnolia again. I've also been on reglan (gave me tremors) Azithroymcin (terrible nausea), and domperidone ( caused lactation and didn't help). None of those helped as much as the magnolia and the bethanechol.

If you try the magnolia, get the capsule form. It is really bitter and you don't want to taste it.

Iberogast is supposed to work for some people. It made me nauseous. It seemed a little too strong for me.

I've heard peppermint helps but can cause reflux in some people. I haven't tried it.

Have you tried getting a gastric emptying scan? From a GI doctor. It is the only real way to get a diagnosis. There are so many things that can cause your symptoms.

I've never heard of any of the herbal meds you listed.

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The herbals you listed, I have seen more than once on here. Most have agreed that, especially the Perteton, they are all scams. That being said, there are supplements out there that can help. For a while, a Magnesium supplement called NaturalCalm helped me. But, like horsecrazygal, it quite working for me due to building up a tolerance to it, even on the highest dose.

The thinking behind the mag supplements is that the magnesium is one mineral that helps with muscle function. Many of us are deficient due to dietary restrictions and medication depletion, usually from PPIs. I now switch between 2 forms of mag. Mag taurate one day and mag citrate the next, both in capsule form. It seems to be helping with both discomfort after eating, and keeping me somewhat regular (I have gone up to 2 weeks without going before trying this out).

One med that is used a lot on this site is Domperidone (Motillium). It works the same way as Reglan, gets the stomach to contract more or the muscles to move the way they are supposed to in those with muscle contractions that are out of sync. It doesn't however cross the blood/brain barrier, so in most, causes far fewer side effects.

All that being said, don't try any of these without talking to to a doc first, so they can monitor you closely.

I hope you can find some relief.

Diana

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First of all, triphala worked great for me for a while. It didn't allow me to eat normally, but it allowed me to eat without the use of medications. I used it for 6 months and then my GP got worse, a lot worse however, without going into all the details I don't know if the triphala stopped working or not. There are other issues regarding my particular problem. I will start triphala again when I can. Tried the magnolia tree bark and it reacted horribly with me, monster acid reflux which temporarily made my GP worse. Tried iborgast, didn't work. Tried peppermint, gave me acid reflux, paid a lot of money to see an herbologist, drank her medicine/herbal tea, did nothing. My doctor however was impressed with the triphala helping gp because he knew it worked well with constipation. But, everyone is different, some had great success with the magnolia tree bark, some had success with iborgast, some people had no success with triphala. Very individual.

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I do believe it's very individual. I hesitate to post bc I experienced so much improvement but I know it's different for everyone. I'm being treated with herbal medicine ... but it's not one herb but mixture of herbs specific to me. my condition was bad but it's definitely getting better. I know it's going to take awhile ... after all, my illness progressed over time as well. in three months, I'm able to eat solids, gaining weight, and generally feeling healthier overall. but like I said, it's very individual. good luck.

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I'm not a doctor so can't say if you have gastroparesis or some other digestive isssue. From what you have said I would try domperidone/Motillium (to help the stomach move), probiotics (to counteract bad flora sitting in stomach) and an antidepressant (for appetite,nausea,sleep and obviously depression that can come with this illness). I'm not sure of your Health Care system there or what you can get over the counter but here in the USA probiotics are available without a prescription. Domperidone is available over the counter in some European countries but not here. Not even by prescription here (unless through compounding pharmacy). Many of us on this site get it from on-line pharmacies. www.inhousepharmacy.biz is one with good service and great prices. It comes from there in the blister packs from the manufacturer so you know it is the 'real' thing. Anti-depressants are available by prescription only and there are many different types. The ones most helpful to slow stomachs are the tricyclic types such as Remeron. I started taking it 4 months ago and have a pretty good appetite again.
Also you should be eating a low fiber/low fat diet if digestion is the problem.
Hope this helps you ~ Carol

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There is an herbal supplement made in Germany that I have found helpful. In the USA and Canada it is called Iberogast, but it is not for sale in the USA so I have to buy it online. I don't know what it is called in Europe or if it would be available in Iran. It is a mixture of several herbs that the marketing says interact with one another to stimulate better digestion. My dietitian suggested it and since I have been using it, my acid reflux and bloating are significantly reduced. I am still careful about my diet, eating little fat and avoiding all uncooked vegetables, but I can eat some fresh fruit without peels.

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There is an herbal supplement made in Germany that I have found helpful. In the USA and Canada it is called Iberogast, but it is not for sale in the USA so I have to buy it online. I don't know what it is called in Europe or if it would be available in Iran. It is a mixture of several herbs that the marketing says interact with one another to stimulate better digestion. My dietitian suggested it and since I have been using it, my acid reflux and bloating are significantly reduced. I am still careful about my diet, eating little fat and avoiding all uncooked vegetables, but I can eat some fresh fruit without peels.

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I went to an accupuncturist and natural healer who used oriental medicines. She did absolutelty no good for me. At first I did not throw up for 2 weeks but then I went back to normal. I just wonder if you have some type of reaction to some kind of food? Such as gluten or milk... even those intolerances usually make you have diarhea or throw up or bad stomache pains. If you are not throwing up or have diarrhea I am not sure if you have GP?????

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you can have GP without vomiting or have diarrhea ... everyone presents different symptoms ... it really depends on which part of your gi tract is messed up ... upper, lower, muscles, nerves, etc ...
for me, it is pain and nausea ... no vomiting or diarrhea.

good luck ... hope you're doing better.

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Dear DOGNKAT

i have no reaction to any kind of food such as milk and gluten . no pain , no diarrhea , no reflux,.. . perhaps i can say that my only reaction to some foods like bread and vegetables is that they remain in my stomach longer than any others such as rice, creams,potato,...

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Hello choco130

I know some people who couldn't digest foods well with the symptoms of pain, diarrhea, nausea but they didn't have gp,
their problem was as a result of galbladder disorders. I 'm on colofac retard now because my doc suspects my illness is due to spasms in my large intestine.

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Dear Croll

I 've been on domperidon( is available in iran),reglan and probiotics for a while ,but they didn't work.i haven't used the other drugs you advised .i have no problem with fatty foods but fiber is a problem.

thanks for your help

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hello gaa

as i mentioned , i,ve no acid reflux and bloating , so i'm wondering if it can help me?like you, i should be careful about my diet ,avoid raw and uncooked vegetables and eat fruits soft tissues fruits without peels . fatty foods are not problem .

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hello gaa

as i mentioned , i,ve no acid reflux and bloating , so i'm wondering if it can help me?like you, i should be careful about my diet ,avoid raw and uncooked vegetables and eat soft tissues fruits without peels . fatty foods are not problem .

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It sounds like you may not have the enzymes needed to digest some foods with fiber. How do you know the food is remaining in your stomach for too long? The only way to be sure you have gastroparesis is to have a stomach emptying test, but usually Reglan helps people with GP, unless their GP is really bad, so perhaps you have a different problem. The herbal medicine, Iberogast, is supposed to be good for many digestive issues, but it is not supposed to have bad side effects, so you might try it anyway if you can get it. Also I would look into getting digestive enymes, They have helped some people on this site. Just so you know, too, Reglan, can have very bad long term side effects so you may not want to take it, particularly if it is not helping you anyway.

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gaa

when I belch, it tastes the food I ate. So, I know I can't digest the food I ate 10-12 hours ago.I was on both domperidon and Reglan and also digestive enzymes for a while but they didn't help.I haven't used Iberogast because I 'm not sure that it is available here in Iran.

Thanks

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I don't know what to suggest, except to see if you could go to a digestion doctor at a large hospital. I have found that there is a wide variation in the knowledge doctors have - some know a lot about digestion, others very little. Here and in the UK the most knowledgeable doctors are usually at a specialist hospital. I hope you can get the help you need as it is no fun feeling bad all the time.

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Dear gaa!

Thank you very much for your replies and help.

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