The spiritual root of cancer...?

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Matthew 6:14 "If you forgive men their trespasses your heavenly Father will also forgive you."
Something that I haven't shared in this journal that I am feeling strongly today that I must share is about forgiveness. Part of the Lords' prayer is "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive other who trespass against us."
I really like the way this portion of "Forgive-us our-trespasses.com. It reads: "This is, perhaps, the most instructive passage. We are assured, dear God, that you will forgive us of our short-comings and our wrong-doings, if --- and only if --- we forgive the wrong-doings and short-comings of those with whom we have dealings. If we do not forgive others, then we have no right to seek from you forgiveness for ourselves. That is practical. It makes good sense. If we have an unforgiving attitude or harbor a grudge against another, we certainly are not able to come to you to seek forgiveness. An unforgiven grudge bottled up within a person is corrosive to the soul and destructive of the inner person. It renders a person unable to receive forgiveness. We thank you that in this prayer we have a daily reminder of that."
In my studies with the gentlemen who are teaching and instructing me about Divine Healing there were some things that I had a hard time believing when they said them. They told me that according to a man named Henry Wright who has a healing ministry that his documented studies of healing says that breast cancer root spiritual cause is bitterness and resentment of women that is caused from conflict with other women. Now he does go on to say that 10% of women have the genetic code that can cause them to have breast cancer.
I was instructed and asked to pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal to me each and every hurt or conflict I had had from other women from the time I was a little child until the present day. Sound weird? Well I thought so too. However, I did as I was instructed and guess what? I would lay there and pray before I got up and just let thoughts flow. I was shocked to begin having thoughts of things that had happened long ago in my life that were hurtful to me. Remarks, actions and all kinds of memories of things other women had said or done to me came flooding back. Now I have never been one to hold grudges or be unforgiving in my life however my subconscious mind must have been different. Things I hadn't thought of in years came flooding back . I had been told to ask God to help me forgive all of those women. Things I had said or done to hurt others also came back. I was also instructed to ask for forgiveness of any remarks or actions I had done that may have hurt other women.
Finally, after many weeks, no thoughts came to mind as I prayed. Then the spiritual blockage to my healing was destroyed. When that happened, when the final wall was brought down, the Lord healed me of that excruciating pain I had been experiencing in an instant. It certainly made a believer out of me that these men were on the right track. I firmly believe that this is the spiritual cause for breast cancer. In his book, "A More Excellent Way", Henry Wright lists spiritual causes for many many diseases. He does have lists on the net if you are interested it seeing what may be causing an illness or physical problem in your life. It is pretty interesting to read and study. God wants you well. He is the Great Physician. I go next Monday for another blood test. I continue to ask the Holy Spirit to bring to mind anything that I need to forgive or be forgiven of in regards to other woman. I hope this has been of interest and that you are not weirded out as I was at first. I am living proof that there is truth in this.
I ask you to consider thinking of bitterness, anger, resentment and rage as battery acid eating away at your healthy body. Wow! I sure don't want any in me.
I am subbing in English for half a day. The hired sub didn't show up so I am a last minute replacement.
God bless you all. Love,

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I read most of your journal posts ....... and agree with some and disagree with others ....... but I find this one different and offensive on more than one level.

You wrote
"In my studies with the gentlemen who are teaching and instructing me about Divine Healing there were some things that I had a hard time believing when they said them. They told me that according to a man named Henry Wright who has a healing ministry that his documented studies of healing says that breast cancer root spiritual cause is bitterness and resentment of women that is caused from conflict with other women. Now he does go on to say that 10% of women have the genetic code that can cause them to have breast can."

Should I take that to mean that since 1 in 8 women will get breast cancer that most women are just a bunch of bitter, resentful, conflicted and spiritually devoid group of humans ? Of course I have taken note that this statement must have come from non other than the superior branch of our species a Patriarchal male.

Did he perhaps suggest any male spiritual defect that was behind prostate cancer ?

I am neither bitter, angry nor resentful. personally offended .... a bit ... but mostly amused .... You see the GOD I believe in would NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER inflict such suffering on a person due to their emotional state or their spiritual turmoil, But I can think of one entity who may.


FlowerOfLife

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I also find this post offensive.

How dare you imply that 90% of women have breast cancer because we are bitter and angry and resentful. How about you tell my three young children that their mother died of breast cancer because she was an unforgiving and resentful woman.
what a bunch of crap.

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Hi all-
I wondered about everyone's reaction to this post, as I read it, and even had a twinge of "Oh no", myself, because we all know how "the world" finds some way to blame us for our own cancer. We don't eat right, we don't exercise enough, etc. And we feel like, "It's bad enough we're dying and now you want to blame me?". But, to some extent, those reasons do exist and are part of the problem (along with so many things we can't control).
I don't think CSL is trying to offend (even though I understand why it seems offensive). There may be some merit to what she is saying, from a "connection to things" point of view, but I don't necessarily think she's saying God gives us cancer because we are bitter.
I have read elsewhere (and who knows where or when?), that several different diseases are - maybe not caused - but easier to get, based on certain emotional and mental situations of a person.
My own personal example is my cancer. Popped up one year after a miscarriage. Now granted, it had been "lurking" for 8-10 years as a teeny, tiny little thing, but exploded in that year - partly due to an estrogen boost from my brief pregnancy, and partly due to my severe (SEVERE) depression that followed, which I believe, caused an inability of my immune system to function properly. And though, I believe all these things contributed - a bit physical and a bit emotional - , I don't believe God "gave me cancer" because of these things. I believe you are right about that Flower of Life. I don't think God is "vindictive" like that.
But, I don't think CSL is trying to say we're all horrible women that "cause" our own cancer and deserve it. I just think she is believing that these emotions may contribute in a way, and trying to help us make peace with those, in case there is any validity to it.
I have heard breast cancer is "related" to issues of the heart (emotional), too, but could not cite anything for you. And, I have heard other medical issues stem from other mental/emotional issues. Like a heart attack might be related to stress. There is no accusation in that statement, and I don't think CSL was trying to make an accusing statement, either. I really don't.
I did feel a little of that, at first, because I don't want people to blame me, either. But, I think she is really being sincere.
Much love-
LW

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I haveo to run out right now, but I will get back to you on this

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"Then the spiritual blockage to my healing was destroyed. When that happened, when the final wall was brought down, the Lord healed me of that excruciating pain I had been experiencing in an instant."

Connie,

What healed your pain from your bone metastasis was your hormonal therapy which finally kicked in. Your praise and thanks should go to the scientist that developed aromatase inhibitors.

Cancer is a deviant cell that makes replicas of it self and often goes on to spread to other organs. Cancer cells are not some wrath of vengeance from some god on people.

Best,

Dj

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I also generally ignore these posts. I do have to comment on the thought that a hateful god gives women breast cancer. That is NOT the way any God I know works.

EVERY women has stress, some have more than others but EVERYONE has stress. To say a woman has breast cancer because she is bitter and angry is hurtful and certainly does not even get close to the word of Jesus.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you LauraW43! You hit the nail on the head. As I wrote in my post I was REALLY weirded out by this when then told me what they were telling me. My God does NOT give us cancer. He wants us WELL. FlowerOfLife, I agree with you completely when you say "You see the GOD I believe in would NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER inflict such suffering on a person due to their emotional state or their spiritual turmoil, But I can think of one entity who may."
Everyone has cancer cells lurking in their bodies. What happens is that something compromises our immune systems and the cancer cell begin to flourish. I am not saying ANY of us are horrible women. Shoot, that would saying I am a bitter, resentful and conflicted. I do not consider myself any of these things. I would never say any of you or myself are like that. I am actually very sincerely saying as LauraW43 said, I am "believing that these emotions may contribute in a way, and trying to help us make peace with those, in case there is any validity to it.
I have heard breast cancer is "related" to issues of the heart (emotional), too, but could not cite anything for you. And, I have heard other medical issues stem from other mental/emotional issues. Like a heart attack might be related to stress. There is no accusation in that statement, and I don't think CSL was trying to make an accusing statement, either. I really don't." I am not!!!!!!

That is exactly what I was trying to do with this post. I am not trying to insinuate anything about any of you. I made no accusations at anyone. As for the book I was quoting from "A More Excellent Way" by Henry Wright, it is not only about breast cancer. It is about many many other diseases or illnesses.

As for prostrate cancer, he says that from his research and records of the people he has worked with that prostate cancer has a spiritual root of "anger, guilt, self-hatred and self-bitterness. Hate leads to death". I am quoting from his writings. He says "many diseases come out of fear, anxiety and stress".

Thank you for clarifying this. Also, I was quoting Henry Wright's book about the 10% genetic connection to breast cancer. I did not say this myself. I am NOT saying any of us caused ourselves to get cancer. I am just asking any of you that are interested in this possibility of our emotions (mine as I said were subconscious). I am not a vindictive woman. I am not bitter. I am not an angry person. I am even tempered and loving. I wouldn't intentionally hurt any one. I also don't want anyone be it children, spouse, grand-children or friends to think their loved one who died of breast cancer because she was a bitter resentful woman. That is not what I am implying at all.

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Dear DJ64,
As for my healing, I was deteriorating physically, using a cane, was looking generally very unhealthy. I was crying out in pain whenever I moved. The healing was not from the hormonal therapy. My hair was thinning and had no body. My skin was not supple any more. It was looking bad also. After that night when the Lord instantaneously removed the pain, my hair started getting curly and full of body. My skin became supple. My massage therapist couldn't believe the change. People said that I actually was glowing with health within two months time. You may think anything you like but as for myself, I firmly believe that I was healed by my Lord that night. My medical oncologist was amazed and said to "keep doing whatever I was doing because it was working." I was also taking "the silver bullet", eating spirilina, and drinking Frankensence oil in water every day. I did things I research and felt "led" to do. It obviously, in my thinking, was not my time to be called home by Him. He has something more for me to do for Him here on this earth before He calls me home. That is what I believe. I understand if you don't. That is your choice. I don't believe that "Cancer cells are not some wrath of vengeance from some god on people." I don't have a God of wrath. I do believe it is evil in this fallen world. I am not asking you to believe that either. I DO believe that our emotions can affect our health. Just as laughter releases endorphins from our pituitary gland I believe that there may be a connection from some of our other emotions to the hypothalamus which lies behind the pituitary gland. The hypothalamus is the main regulator of body activities. It is the center for the mind over body phenomena. I am not saying you have to agree or even look into this. It is something I have come across in my studies of biology as well as my spiritual studies of the mind, body and soul connection. It has helped me. I thought I would throw it out there as food for thought. I am not criticizing or accusing anyone.
Peace, csl-lady

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I also want to clarify that the gentlemen who were working with me never once said that God caused me to have cancer. They repeatedly voiced along with me that He doesn't cause anyone to get sick.

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"The healing was not from the hormonal therapy."

I guess Connie, the real test would be to stop your hormonal therapy, Aromasin. Would you? Then report back?

"I firmly believe that I was healed by my Lord that night"

I have no doubt that Aromasin has put you into remission. Perhaps you will be in that 1% of women who are cured. However, you will only be able to say you are cured when you die of something else. Aromatase Inhibitors do very well in putting women into remissions especially if this is your first time on AI. I was 8 years NED on Arimidex. However, I am not cured and more than likely will die from metastasize breast cancer. Or I could get hit by a Mac Truck.

"He wants us WELL"

If that were true, Connie, then I wish he cure us all.


"I am curious of how soon the cancer is "starved" into stability". From another of your postings.

http://www.inspire.com/groups/advanced-breast-cancer/discussion/how-fast-di d-your-mets-respond-to-aromasen-or-exemestanet-therapy/

I stop Femara and 3 weeks to the day, my joint and bone pains remarkably improved. When restarting the drug, the pain was notice in 3 week's time. I kept a daily journal on this. I have tried this enough times to know for me, this is how Femara reacted.

Best,

DJ

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Dear DJ, I was curious because I have never talked to anyone else who has had an immediate halt to excruciating pain. I was curious to see how long it takes hormonal therapy to completely stop metastatic activity. I guess I was looking for more proof of my miracle so I could share it with others. My oncologist agreed that it was remarkable. She said she was "Amazed". She knew that the previous week I had called several times to see if there was anything that would touch the pain. I have never had such pain. Before I took any pain meds the pain stopped instantaneously. I threw away the cane getting in and out of the car with no discomfort, no pain at all. I haven't used it since. That wasn't Aromasin that night in my mind. That was my Lord. The is absolutely no doubt in my mind. Believe what you want. You weren't the person who experienced it. Have a great weekend! I'm going to.
Love, Connie

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I too am offended by this post- not to mention your Christian preaching on this site has really gotten out if hand . Please reserve these discussions for your Church or Bible study group - that us where they are appropriate, not here, where mbc survivors of all faiths congregate.

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If you believe that god took away your pain then good for you. Shame there are so many believers and non believers still in pain and dying from this disease who your god has apparently refused to help. Wonder why that is.

You said you don't believe the info you quoted about people with cancer getting it because they are bitter and hate filled but I do wonder what the point was of posting this hurtful nonsense? What was the point?

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Good Morning,

I deleted my previous post as it included some information about my personal relationship and beliefs about God. while I personally have no objection to people expressing their religious views on this site your "The spiritual root of cancer " post has ventured beyond that point. I feel secure in the belief it was not your intent to offend anyone. Many on this site may have a similair belief structure as yours, many others do not, but regardless of what belief system you do or do not subscribe to the very "implication" that breast cancer is due to a spiritual deficit opened you to this backlash.

My first response was not directed at you personally but at those so called ..... " TEACHERS " who would lessen and demean both GOD & WOMEN. I and most of the other women on this site are more than aware that stress, anger, bitterness etc plus other misc. life events can have an accumulative effect upon one's health.

I have a question about this portion of your post as I found it very disturbing ...... you stated :

"I was instructed and asked to pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal to me each and every hurt or conflict I had had from other women from the time I was a little child until the present day. Sound weird? Well I thought so too. However, I did as I was instructed and guess what? I would lay there and pray before I got up and just let thoughts flow. I was shocked to begin having thoughts of things that had happened long ago in my life that were hurtful to me. Remarks, actions and all kinds of memories of things other women had said or done to me came flooding back. Now I have never been one to hold grudges or be unforgiving in my life however my subconscious mind must have been different. Things I hadn't thought of in years came flooding back . I had been told to ask God to help me forgive all of those women. Things I had said or done to hurt others also came back. I was also instructed to ask for forgiveness of any remarks or actions I had done that may have hurt other women"

Why are only women mentioned in your asking for forgiveness ? Why did you not ask for forgiveness and to forgive everyone, man women and child ?


FlowerOfLife

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csl-lady. Your post was sort of a diatribe, was it not? I too, don't understand your point.

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Thank you for the post, I find it interesting as I try to do with most things, with an open mind. CurrentRiverGal

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Hi all-
I'm not sure if CSL was posting during our "God talk" discussion. Maybe she missed that?

So CSL - knowing that my way isn't the only way, and knowing that my understanding is NEVER perfect, I would like to gently tell you what I took away from that discussion.

There are a lot of women on this site (obviously). Some are Christians (including myself), but there are pretty many who are not. While I do mention Jesus here and there (because for us Christians, He is part of our cancer journey), I try to be careful about how often I speak of Him and to what extent, because those women who don't worship Him, then have to skirt around a website that should be only helpful to them, during their own battle with their cancer.

I don't want any woman to lose this refuge, to wonder what they are going to "have to read about someone they don't believe in" just to find a post that might help them after a bad scan/Dr. visit/ painful day.

It would be like you or I, visiting a site where everyone hated God, and in order to see how someone dealt with our daily struggles, we first had to read about how horrible God is, all over the place. I would not visit such a site, and would lose some good encouragement that I need.

It seems like you are posting elsewhere, and then transferring those posts here (nothing wrong with that), and I'm sure your original site is your own place where you can talk about God all you want, and I see that a lot of your insight comes through prayer, and that is why prayer is part of your posts.

Usually, if I do that in my "personal area", I do some editing when I transfer here. It's not because I don't love God, and it's not because I'm denying Him. It's just because I am trying to be respectful of those women who don't want to read about Him. I think God understands that.

Maybe, you could post more "generically" and include links to your original posting site (if possible), so we could visit if we choose to "read it all". Then, all the women here could feel more free to read all the posts.

Please know - this is just a suggestion, and without a single antagonistic thought to anyone.

:)

LW

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LauraW43

Thank you ........

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Flower-
We all need each other so much. If I felt uncomfortable here, I would lose the only place I can "scream and yell" about all things, large and small, and know everyone understands why I am crying today or having a triumphant moment. We all deserve that. We all need it.
:)

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LauraW43,

That was an excellent way of stating it.

Best,

DJ

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