ORGANIC FOOD: COST and BENEFITS

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Hello to all and I hope you are having a good, happy day.

After reading and believing in Delirium's excellent post titled: "Diet For Sarcoidosis", I just wanted to put in my two cents about our food here in the USA.

Delirium has taken the time to share her knowledge with all of us.
I want to talk about the quality of what we consume.

If you haven't yet read Delirium's essay, please do, as it is an excellent commentary on a healthy approach to eating. She'll make you drop your Twinkies with her well researched and documented approach to food. This is the way we should all be eating, all the time, whether we have Sarcoidosis or not.

Most of the following info I obtained from a program on MSNBC. Most of the fruits and vegetables mentioned next maintain an unacceptable or higher level of pesticide residue (even after washing) than others.

They are: apples, nectarines, peaches, pears, strawberries, berries, cherries, grapes, raspberries, all bell peppers, celery, potatoes, spinach, lettuces, and tomatoes. Shocking, but becoming ever more believable to me after purchasing blueberries this summer that I swear I could taste pesticide on, after I had rinsed them in a sink full of water, twice.

We've been drinking 100% organic milk in our house for a long time, at my husband's insistence. I felt that this was a bit extravagant as milk is, after all, pasteurized.

Milk was mentioned as being one of the more tainted food products due to all the hormones and antibiotics, etc. that are given to all beef in general. I thought somehow that milk producing cows were exempt. I guess I was terribly wrong.

If you are still able to drink milk despite your sarcoid, Organic Valley is delicious. All of their dairy products are excellent, but prepare yourself to pay a good deal more than you pay for non organic. In fact all organic foods are 50 to 100% more than the regular foods.

Next, according to MSNBC, it is not necessary to buy organic bananas, mangos, or corn.

The following information is verbatim from MSNBC.

"What organic means:

Animals have not been treated with: antibiotics, growth hormones, or feed made from animal byproducts.
Animals must have been fed organic feed for at least a year.
Animals must have access to the outdoors.
Food hasn't been genetically modified or irradiated.
Fertilizer does not contain sewage sludge or synthetic ingredients.
Produce hasn't been contaminated with synthetic chemicals used as pesticides."

If you are going to introduce organic into your diet, make sure it is 100% organic. In my opinion the following claims have very little or no meaning:
"Made with Organic Ingredients"
"Free-range" or "Free-roaming"
"Natural" or "All natural"

Government standards seem to be VERY weak in these areas. Also, I don't see any point in spending extra money on a product marked 75% Organic. Yes, that term is also used.

If you are attempting to achieve a healthier life style by adding organic food to your diet, be prepared to spend more money but don't feel as though you must buy everything "Organic" or you're wasting your money. Start with one or two organic foods. Every little change adds healthier foods to your body.

Let's take poultry as an example. Organic chicken and turkey are all that we eat at home. My contention is that once you've tasted one of the above, you will notice that all the other non-organic, much advertised brands taste funny, and I'm understating my opinion.

I also try to purchase organic foods that will be eaten raw. In other words, as an example, I feel that a potato is a potato and as we all cook them till they are well done, I don't see the importance of purchasing them in organic. I could be wrong.

Here's a few more for all of you - broccoli & carrots. To me, you cannot believe the difference in taste of a head of fresh organic broccoli to a head of fresh non- organic broccoli. Eaten raw or cooked, to me, the organic wins for delicious flavor every time. Same is true for carrots, to me.

In closing, give it a try, one meat, vegetable, or fruit at a time, because it is expensive to eat healthy. It is expensive to eat organic. Do it for your health and because it tastes so much better.

Be Well... JanetG

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just got done watching some new cook on the green channel cook a salad, same ingredients in both but one set store bought other organic.

Although we are not talking a 7 course meal here it was interesting that his purchases at the local farmers market saved him 76cents over the store purchased items. Also no pesticides.

The other noteworthy item, Items like celery (non organic) actually carry the highest amount of pesticide trace hits. This is becuase they have such a huge water content. Never really thought about it but it would make sense.

I think there are some issues with the "Green" movement, but in all honesty...and this is coming from a Current, former and probably Forever eater of foods that are NEVER GONNA BE ORGANIC(Cheetos comes to mind) There are some very smart approaches to limiting the intake of unnatural elements in the organic approach that really dont cost alot more if you are fortunate to have a local supply chain.

The difference in taste still blows me away. We switched to organic meats whenever possible some time ago and could not believe the improvement! Personally, I favor free-range, too, for a variety of reasons. For me the meats are the most important as I am professionally and personally appalled at the amount of antibiotics and steroids pumped into the standard industrialized meats. You think your prednisone dose is high - test that steak sometime.

I can also say (since the only real allergy I have is to some of the pesticides used on produce) there is no way to get that residue off peaches and nectarines once it is there. The only versions of those I can eat at all are organic. That said, I've bought so-called organic at the farmer's market before and my home test proved them to be lying (true organic peaches and nectarines don't do a thing to me, but a trace of pesticide.... well, it's not sever, but I know it's there).

The federal regs on these labels are quite lax, too, and don't let people choose which thngs are important. For instance, all natural will mean not genetically modified, but it may have been ferilized with raw sewage - can you say E. coli? Never really understood that label anyway, after all, pork lard is all natural, as are arsenic and cyanide - not exactly what I would call health foods. Even the organic label gets in my way sometimes as I am completely fine with genetically modified produce assuming normal FDA testing has been done. I'm quite sure it's less risky than what I pull out of the water on hook and line and probably safer than what most hunters bring home too. I guess the only place labelling regulations are more lax are on food supplements.

Ah well, the taste of most organice makes them worth more anyway. Oh - what exactly is 75% organic anyway? Is that like an organic chicken with bionic legs? I am sure George Carlin would have loved to add that one to his talk on oxymorons (may he rest in peace).

Be well

I can attest to the taste of organic broccoli. It is better than anything you can imagine, and more green like the Emerald Isles. I had broccoli while in Guatemala. They don't irrigate their crops, they get gentle rains frequently, and can't afford fancy fertilizers or pesticides. It was by far the best broccoli I'd ever had, and ever will.

We purchase farm fresh eggs from a farmer who doesn't believe in all the chemicals. We can taste a big difference in them. We don't like store bought eggs, we tried another farmer's eggs and didn't care for them at all.

I like free-range cheeseburgers from Five Guys.

In my eternal quest for cheeseburger and french fry nirvana... they are the godhead.

—TeeG

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Beings that I dont think I have ever heard of that one T.Geee. I had to google it. And after viewing this pic, I feel that I would have to gree....

I agree with the concept of organic. I can't prove it but when I first got sick in 2003 and was diagnosed I went organic. I lived in Pasadena Ca at the time so it was plentiful. I ate 95% organic and I went into remission fast after the initial Prednisone treatment. Fast forward 5 years of living in Michigan and eating mostly non organic. I really feel the difference. I taste it too. We have a small store here but nothing like before. I am thinking about packing a cooler in the car and taking an hour long trip to Ann Arbor for a stock up shopping trip at Whole Foods. It is worth the money.
Bunkie

Oh, that burger looks sooooo good. Nothing better than a good burger after a long night of work. Well, except maybe a good burger with fries.

I never said I eat only organic

TG - I had Cheesypops leaning in a healthy direction till you mentioned your burgers & fries!

Cheesypops - It's only a picture and that stuff never looks the same in the real world!
It's bad enough you agreed with him, but to tempt people with that photo is a sin.

On 2nd thought, you'd probably consume enough steroid, antibiotic and hormone eating these, that you'd never need to see a real doctor ever again.

Ya gotta love these two manly men... JG

Paradox,

To think I was so happy to have your endorsement and now you've gone over to the other side.*GASP*

I guess this mandates my confession that I rarely get past the bakery without making a purchase. But, I will never give up my 100% organic turkey burger for a what's in it burger? Not ever.

TG - you're probably too young but, this reminds me of my husband in his late teens and early 20's, downing Krystal Burgers. I don't know if they're still in business but they were positively gross and here again, it was another "guy" thing. I only remember seeing them in Fl.

I do have the best pictures in this journal of any and I thank you. Be well. Be sane... JG

Dear Bunkie,

Thanks for your reply and I would have to agree that a 1 hour drive, even with the gas prices so high, to Whole Foods is certainly worth it.

I mentioned the store one other time before on this site and some folks were turned off by the prices. I can only say that you do get what you pay for and if it's in season, Whole Foods will usually have it in stock, in organic.

It's also the only store I've been to that offers free range or 100% organic poultry. The difference being that there is no strict government control on the term "free range." These can be chickens or turkeys that are only free to roam one or two hours per day.

Whereas 100% organic is free to roam and there are strict regulations on their feed. I've tried both and the 100% organic wins for taste every time.

They even sell fresher flowers than other stores and have a wide range of exotics.

I would endorse any other good organic market if I could find any, but unless you live on the west coast, Whole Foods seems to be it for us.

If I were you, I'd call first, as some of their stores carry less than you were used to in Ca. Let me know how it all works out and if you can get what you want there.

Be Well... JanetG

mariposa,

Read my reply to Bunkie. Do you have that chain of stores in Iowa? If you do, they have wonderful, healthy food. Also forgot to mention to Bunkie that you can also choose between organic or non-organic in the produce dept. Great store. Be Well... JanetG

mmmMMMmmm... Krystal Burgers... White Castle "sliders" .... buy'm by the sack! (drool!)

A guilty pleasure for sure!

Krystal burgers...Yeah...Spent a night with a sack of them on a buisness trip to Nashville. Special place in my heart.. I not only cannot enjoy them anymore as they dont exist on the West coast...But white castle sliders that I first sampled when I was a young "wog" in the USN.....are only available in the freezer section of one store.

Alas I have now chosen to stave off the fast food joints until I find a bonafide reason *see that picture,it defo came off a bone*.

Back to my morning routine of organic granola from Trader Joes and my bonanahhhh. Im getting adjusted.

We don't have Wholefoods anywhere around here unfortunately. There may be one in Des Moines, but it is over 2 hours away. I don't remember seeing organic produce at Target grocery either.

Whole Foods - please come to Alabama!!! I miss you so much.

Um, did you guys really think that cheeseburger looked good?

Like, Janet, I tend to veer towards the bakery myself. I guess I'd rather see baked goods' results on my rump, but that's another story, LOL.

Michele

We in South Florida call WholeFoods... "Whole Paycheck" as the prices are prohibitive to anyone not selling pot in their spare time from their Magic Bus painted personal scooter chairs, or saving money by braiding their underarm hair with patuli oil.

Upon closer inspection, we have come to the conclusion that WholeFoods Market stores uses way more packaging, plastics, lights, point-of-purchase glitz, energy, and special equipment, than your given average supermarket. Most of it is not recycled, not green friendly, and mostly not "organic" in the strict sense of the word.

What it is, is a grandiose marketing effort to capture a segment of the market that wants to feel like they are eating "better" or "less processed" foods, saving the environment, and being all "earthy" in general. The truth is its the same ol' floozie in a different dress marketed to re-fried hippies that fear their own natural mortality and the guilt of doing all those recreational drugs. Heh.

You'd do better to support your local farmers at the local farmer's market. Wash your produce. And don't sweat the antibiotics that keep your chicken breasts from carrying pox. Sometimes the good ol' days wern't so good.

All the worry in the world won't add another moment to your days. Never trust a supermarket over 40.

Groovy, man. Pass the wheatgrass...

- the Gardener

OUCH!!!

My journal is in no way an endorsement of all foods organic to be purchased at Whole Foods. As Paradox stated, it's about the taste. Out of necessity, most of our organic produce is purchased at Publix and they have added a lot to their selection.

We had access to Whole Foods in Orlando, but no longer, as we now live just north of St. Augustine.

We now purchase most all of our poultry at a grocer called Fresh Market. I quit eating all red meat about 25 years ago, more because I was 10 lbs. overweight and wanted to lose the weight in a low fat, low carbohydrate sort of way.

I didn't quit the beef, pork, ham, lamb or veal because I was turned off by it in any way, I was a real meat eater. While on the diet, I noticed that my digestion seemed so much better and I had so much more energy.

I haven't eaten any meat of any kind since. In later years, I became turned off by the way Americans freely inject their livestock with antibiotics, hormones, etc.

There also seemed to be more government intervention in other countries concerning the quality of food. As a flt. attendant, I often made two round trips to Europe in one week.

I shopped in their grocery stores and ate in their restaurants. It didn't take me long to figure out that we were adding too many preservatives and God knows what else to our foods to prolong their shelf life.

The food, particularly in Italy, Germany, and France was incredibly different than here at home. It tasted different. It tasted fresher. My best example is the shelf life of a loaf of bread here can be up to 10 days, before you see the mold. A loaf of German bread turns green in 3 days max.


After losing the weight, I decided at the time, that I was going to try a diet that included poultry and seafood, but eliminated all so-called red meats. As you know, there is no such thing as organic seafood and one could also start a huge discussion about the mercury content of it.

You're in the extremely pricey section of FL. and when I google Whole Foods in your area, you seem to be surrounded by the chain. Of course they are going to play to the folks who live in your market.

As far as a Farmer's Market, the nearest one to us is in downtown Jacksonville, more than an hour north of where we live. Not very green when you consider the amount of fuel burned round trip. We live in an area of FLA very much like the state was maybe 30 years ago. We are in the country.

TG - My intentions are to simply give a few pointers on how to eat healthier while living with or without any disease. I wasn't condoning an all organic lifestyle. Though I would if it were possible. It is not.

There are healthier choices to be made , no matter where you shop. I would still shop at Whole Foods if it were available to me. If they had any competition, I would take advantage of that also. It was about the poultry and produce. It was about the taste.

We purchase all home cleaning supplies at Walmart (best prices) and the rest of our food at Publix.
Believe it or not, I do agree with the rest of what you said about Whole Foods' "glitz and grandiose marketing effort." Green they are not.

In closing, I have never worried about "adding a moment to my life" by what I eat. My very first symptom of sarcoidosis was a case of acid reflux that could have eaten a hole through metal. I'm on 80 mg of Nexium to keep it under control to this day.

For the record, I can't stand wheat grass, and have no guilt about recreational drug use, cause I did none. I was too busy working and was often guilty of a few too many Tequila shots back then.

I still see nothing wrong with a painted Magic Bus or refried hippies. Just lay off those Jalepeno peppers from Mexico till they lift the salmonella ban from them... JG

I hear you Janet....and I think everyone has there own position on stuff.

I commend anyone that is willing to share the good info that they have reaped from....but I also love to see the different perspectives from this group of DIVERSE personalities. It is what makes it interesting for me. So I dont think you need to defend your posts anymore than the rest of us.

You provided some good info that is gonna help somebody , and this discussion has brought forth alot of the grey areas that rarely are discussed with such honesty anywhere...not to leave out with such flair either.

I just wanna know if the wheatgrass is worth the effort....because I know the bannana peel dont. But I am on the lookout for the little rascal scooter painted all purty named Further..

That would truly be a site . Oh and while I wait...Pass the Patron :)

Ok, I admit I like the taste of some of the organic produce, and I love the farmer's market! Don't hate me 'cause I love White Castle too!!!!!!

"Give me two bags and a large coke.... to go!"

Of course, that's just a good way to start a night that finishes with a bottle of Patron... or is it a night with a finished bottle of Patron.... hmmm, it gets fuzzy.

To be honest though, most people in the US don't often get to taste truly fresh food. When I was working my way through my undergrad years as ... gulp... a bartender I worked in some nice restaurants. I remember a few places that had all their ingredients delivered fresh in the morning... I mean ALL. To this day the best chicken piccata I ever had was on break during one of those shifts. Never going to find a chicken that fresh again... It had been clucking that morning. There's just something about fresh ingredients that adds so much to food.
Of course, there's something about prednisone that adds something to the experience too. I still joke about the day, early in my pred experience, when I got a craving for jicama. Ended up with an entire plate of it at the salad bar.

Ah well, I guess I've now revealed myself as a true foodie - and the ability to quote Grateful Dead tunes should say something too (although I'm really a parrothead). Pass the mojitos and thanks for all the good points about the ins and outs of organic food (hmmm... no one brought up in-n-out burger... of course the very air around those places drips with grease).

Be well

Gregg,

Sweet note. Thank you. Yes, I agree, diversity is the name of the game, as I look at my journal as an expression of the results of something I have tried and feel it benefited me in some way. Others are free to disagree.

Therefore, I do feel the need to persist in convincing others to at least give it a try. We have a strange disease and who knows what causes it to behave in the way it does.

I don't mean to seem to be defending my post, as I truly feel it could help someone, as it has helped me. I simply want to get the message out there and let people decide for themselves. It's advice that people can agree or disagree with.

Don't get me started on wheat grass. I think it's nasty. Be Well... JanetG

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